El jue, 07-01-2010 a las 08:34 -0500, David T. Lewis escribió: > On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 08:23:02AM +0200, Danie Roux wrote: > > 2010/1/7 Miguel Enrique Cob? Martinez: > > > > > Respect to Squeak, I seriously began to write a reply to the mail from > > > Andreas announcing the removal of Etoys > > > > Are you referring to this message: > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2010-January/142974.html? > > > > The one that states "... I finished the first round on making Etoys > > package *reloadable* in trunk" (emphasis mine). > > > > That is not the same as removal to me? > > Right. Miguel, perhaps you misunderstand. Etoys and other packages > are being made reloadable. Clean, reloadable packages are a goal > that we all share, and IMO the work in Squeak and Pharo will be > complimentary and helpful to all in the long run. In the case of > Squeak, one of the goals is to be able to provide better support > for Etoys. Making a reloadable Etoys package is an important step > in that direction. >
Yes I know that they are reloadable, but my point is that 3 years ago, (4 by now) in this thread http://n4.nabble.com/A-process-proposal-for-3-10-tt56501.html#a56516 it was proposed to remove/unload the etoys part of squeak, in order to have a kernel like squeak more manageable. Several people discussed, including Andreas, and Bert specifically said that: "As Juan wrote, removing Etoys from Morphic while keeping it both loadable and functioning properly is futile" on: http://n4.nabble.com/A-process-proposal-for-3-10-tp56501p56516.html And now results that now only it is possible and doable but that is the right thing to do for Squeak! And all initiative from Andreas. As the chosen one saving Squeak single-handed. That is a slap in the face for everyone that proposed the same changes years ago and that is the reason of my disappointing with current Squeak. Maybe is gaining new adepts (I don't know for certain) but surely is losing old contributors. Anyway, my mail was to support the work of Stef and the Pharo team and not to start a flame about Squeak. So let this rest now. Cheers > :) > > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- Miguel Cobá http://miguel.leugim.com.mx _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
