Hi! Torsten Bergmann wrote: >> So you are educating them.... >> Frankly I stopped trying long time ago. > > No, I just tell them what I think is necessary to move forward. > Other may be more educated here, it is just sharing MHO so others > can to form an own opinion.
Right, discussion is good. And believe me - the squeak-dev community is NOT oblivious to the needs of a package system. I mean, come on, Monticello, SqueakMap, Universes etc etc - it all was around before Pharo was born. What I have seen so far in Metacello is indeed nothing new - the senarios and discussions about dependencies etc go loooong way back. BUT... that *doesn't* mean I am passing any judgment on Metacello - IMHO all efforts are good per definition! :) I haven't formed an opinion myself. >> I think it would be much more ... "becoming" (and fruitful) if we all >> could stop "trash talking" each other - especially those of us who play >> a "larger role". > > +1 Thank you. > Meanwhile the Pharo community has grown with new members and many people > dont care about old discussions. > > Let's use our energy to move forward and (if possible) share as much > knowledge and code as long as parts of our communities overlap. Yes, exactly. > I therefore would really like to see a common exchange mechanism used > on both sides. > > I'm sure I'm not able to convince one or the other to use package > systems like Metacello but at least I hope to make them think about > the need of a more modular system. Ehm, "a more modular system" has been on the table since... hell, way back to Squeak 3.3! And yeah, even earlier of course - you can probably track it back to PARC if you try hard. :) :) Anyway, "common exchange mechanism" - I am working on Deltastreams which I even presented at Brest, though unfortunately colliding with the Seaside tutorial. Deltas and Deltastreams are indeed focused on EXACTLY this problem (fork interchange), and it was born in 2007: http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2007-August/119471.html I and Igor are the ones working on it - and after Brest we have had very little time to move it forward. I still think it is a very important piece of the puzzle though. regards, Göran _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [email protected] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
