El jue, 18-03-2010 a las 08:30 +0100, Adrian Lienhard escribió:
> Here is yet another way how we could model universes. We just have multiple 
> Metacello repositories:
> 
> - MetacelloRepository is the one that everybody can commit to (testing 
> universe)
> - MetacelloRepositoryPharo1.0 is the stable universe for Pharo 1.0
> - MetacelloRepositoryPharo1.1 is the stable universe for Pharo 1.1
> - etc.
> 
> A package always first gets into the testing universe and when it is known to 
> work in a particular version it is copied into the appropriate repository. 
> The Gofer Project Loader would just need to know the repository for the 
> current Pharo version. Like in Debian, one can add the testing universe to 
> get unstable versions if needed.
> 
> This setup would not need any code changes in Metacello and it allows us to 
> use access rights to assign people to manage the process and assert a certain 
> level of quality.
> 
> Cheers,
> Adrian

Yes, I liked this too. Specially the no metacello modifications part.

+1

> 
>  
> On Mar 17, 2010, at 23:41 , Miguel Enrique Cobá Martinez wrote:
> 
> > El mié, 17-03-2010 a las 15:20 -0700, Dale Henrichs escribió:
> >> ----- "Esteban Lorenzano" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> 
> >> | > - any idea about how we go to differentiate "stable" and "unstable"
> >> | 
> >> | > universes for each Pharo version? How does the user know which version 
> >> | > is the one he needs for his version of Pharo? Sorry, this is not 
> >> | > directly related to the Gofer Project Loader but I think it is the 
> >> next 
> >> | > important step towards a working package management system!
> >> | 
> >> | No clue... maybe we need to add to Metacello a new "dependence 
> >> | dimension", like "minimum version of distribution"... but Dale can be
> >> | much more helpful than me in this area.
> >> 
> >> I imagine that code targetted for specific Pharo versions will be treated 
> >> like we treat code targeted for different Smalltalk dialects. So you would 
> >> write specs  like the following:
> >> 
> >>    spec for: #common do: [...].
> >>    spec for: #squeakCommon do: [...].
> >>    spec for: #pharo do: [...].
> >>    spec for: #'pharo1.0' do: [...].
> >>    spec for: #'pharo1.1' do: [...].
> >> 
> >> or possibly like the following, if a finer version granularity is needed:
> >> 
> >>    spec for: #common do: [...].
> >>    spec for: #squeakCommon do: [...].
> >>    spec for: #pharo do: [...].
> >>    spec for: #'pharo1.0' do: [...].
> >>    spec for: #'pharo1.0-10508' do: [...].
> >>    spec for: #'pharo1.0-10515' do: [...].
> >>    spec for: #'pharo1.1' do: [...].
> >>    spec for: #'pharo1.1-11508' do: [...].
> >>    spec for: #'pharo1.1-11515' do: [...].
> >> 
> >> Dale
> >> 
> > 
> > umm, no please!
> > 
> > There would be a lot of combinations after a while.
> > 
> > Why about having a new spec universes message that accept a list of
> > symbols, each symbol representing a given "universe" of tested packages.
> > This list will be the only thing to modify when grouping different
> > versions of the same package in different repositories.
> > 
> > For example, I start with ConfigurationOfMagma version 1.0r43. Two weeks
> > later I release ConfigurationOfMagma with support for loading 1.0r44.
> > Both this versions have been tested on Pharo 1.0. So the both are
> > marked 
> > 
> > spec universes: #(#pharo10).
> > 
> > A week later Pharo 1.1 is released, and I test the configuration on this
> > new version of pharo. Both work ok. So I modify the line to:
> > 
> > spec universes: #(#pharo10 #pharo11)
> > 
> > and commit.
> > 
> > The tools (GoferProjectLoader) then add functionality to scan this list
> > and presents the users only the appropriated ones based on the image the
> > users is querying the repository.
> > 
> > Of course this is very simplistic because as the debian model shows,
> > requires a maintainer of each configuration and the user to report if a
> > given #pharo11 marked version actually doesn't work. If something don't
> > work, or a new version is given that works, or the tag #pharo11 is
> > removed from that version effectively removing it from that given
> > universe until bugs are fixed or worked around.
> > 
> > What do you think?
> > 
> > Cheers
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