I agree. Most of our extensions are really complex.

In my opinion, traits must define variable. Else it defeats the whole purpose of having a better modularity. Each time I use traits, I need variables.

The solution of Visualworks was quite simple, and I think it makes sense in most of the practical cases: when you compose traits, you simply concatenate the variables defined in the composed traits with the variables defined in the class. Duplicated names are then removed. Easy.

Cheers,
Alexandre


On 25 Mar 2010, at 17:19, Stefan Marr wrote:

Hi Alexandre:


Thanks.
I have read all these papers already, but kind of hoped that there is something I missed so far.

On 25 Mar 2010, at 23:00, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
"Stateful Traits and their Formalization" 
http://scg.unibe.ch/scgbib?_k=OiaJOIuA&query=Berg08e&display=abstract
=> It describes stateful traits

"User-Changeable Visibility: Resolving Unanticipated Name Clashes in Traits" http://scg.unibe.ch/scgbib?_k=NNRwidu5&query=freezable+traits&display=abstract
=>Freezable traits

"Adding State and Visibility Control to Traits using Lexical Nesting" http://scg.unibe.ch/scgbib?_k=J-wbMltV&query=tom+cutsem+bergel
=> Traits for a class-less language
My problem is, that these proposals involve a lot additional complexity. And, Tom's paper is not really applicable to PHP. PHP just does not have a real notion of lexical context.

Thanks
Stefan



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