On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <[email protected] > wrote:
> > On Jun 8, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Fernando olivero wrote: > > > Hi Simon, > > > > On Jun 7, 2010, at 5:48 PM, Simon Denier wrote: > > > >> > >> OK two other things > >> > >> 1) (minor) I find myself repeatdly trying to extend a Shape size to > display more instance variables and methods by looking for the resize handle > in the bottom right corner > >> > > > > Fernando if you listen what simon is telling you is that he does not want > to see the code in larger font. > he said that on his 30 inches screen he would like to see more method names > at once. > Now looking at what your hand is doing is interesting: simon hand wanted to > have a large number of methods > so he tried to grab the corner. > > In terms of UI assessment, one guru said that we can debug 50% of the > problems by asking people to speak aloud when they try > an interface. So this is a cheap but really effective way of making > progress. > > > We wanted to provide a concise and compact view of the shapes, due to the > restrictions that the current Morphic is pixel based and not scalable, to > take the most of the real estate of a pampas. Possibly once i migrate to a > scalable and vectorized UI framework ( Morphic3 ?), resizing would be > considered. > > You have a far easier solution if you want to let people work better. > > > 2) when I want to edit a method, the shape takes the full screen and I > can't see any other data. Why can't I edit the method in-place > >> > > > > > > This was a decision i took, based on the fact that this lets you focus on > writing that method only, similar to what Ommwriter proposes. > http://www.ommwriter.com/ > > Bad bad bad idea. > You never want to have a look at other code while programming. > never -> always ? Laurent > For me this will be the reason 1 for not using gaucho. > Smalltalk is already bad because you have to open another browser but > gaucho is a jail since you cannot even > look at something else. > > > The idea is to provide a Control panel where the developer can customize > the system in the next version. > > > >> > >> Also, I find it quickly annoying when I have to place manually each > shape created. It would be better if shapes tend to stick to their parent > shape when created, and I can move them freely after (I think that one point > where codebubbles is good). > > > > > > This is also something for the next release, i also think that code > bubbles has a good automatic layout strategy, and would like to provide > something similar, or even better. > > > > > >> I actually have more ideas about that, but it's tedious to explain by > plain mail. > >> > > > > I would love to hear them! I think this next ESUG would be an excellent > place to meet and discuss. > > if you want to run a real user experience feedback I can be a guinea pig > you can ask me to do some tasks and tape me. > > Stef > > > > > > Thanks for the feedback ! > > > > > > Fernando > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >
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