Le 5 mai 2011 à 20:09, Toon Verwaest <[email protected]> a écrit :
> I do agree in the current setup. That's why I'm working very hard on changing > this. I want Smalltalk to be completely compatible at all levels with other > languages, so that we can use their libraries rather than having to rewrite > them. > > I'm working on it. Stay tuned ;) > Whaooo ! Smalltalk as an universal syntax too access all the libraries. What a great perspective :-) > On 05/05/2011 11:42 AM, Carlo wrote: >> Hi >> >> While I agree with everyone's sentiments I think that practically If I ware >> starting my career off again I would still go into Java or .NET. >> >> To get a job as a Smalltalk developer is difficult simply because they are >> so scarce. Yes technically Smalltalk has design and philosophical merits >> but, for someone starting their career, a more mainstream language would be >> best. It is still too difficult to make Smalltalk do enterprise scale >> integration and there is a serious lack of libraries; something that the >> Java and .NET (even Ruby) world does not suffer from. i'm not saying That >> Smalltalk can't do these things but rather that it is more difficult to >> integrate with the outside world; it's ecosystem is small compared to the >> J2EE ecosystem. >> >> My advice would be to start off with Java or .NET and then when you've >> gained practical development experience (+-5 years) decide where you want to >> take your career. During this time you should be looking at other languages >> and practices, such as Smalltalk, software methodologies, DDD, FP etc, and >> learn from them to make you a better software engineer. >> A career in development is so much more than simply the programming language. >> >> BTW I'm still regretting not taking a Smalltalk position here in South >> Africa when I had the chance :) Maybe I will still... >> Cheers >> Carlo >> >> On 05 May 2011, at 10:57 AM, Johan Brichau wrote: >> >> That is a superb response, Toon! >> I could not agree more. >> >> Let me add to that Smalltalk is not dead. It's the stealth weapon of mass >> productivity used by small technology startups ;-) >> >> Johan >> >> On 05 May 2011, at 09:58, Toon Verwaest wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I can tell you that independent of how the industry might perceive the >>> language Smalltalk, learning Smalltalk will make you personally a better >>> software engineer. And this is what the industry does want. You will look >>> at programming from a new angle and this will give you an edge. >>> >>> This is also true for learning other old languages like Scheme or Lisp. As >>> long as you stay within your Java / .NET bubble you will be one in a >>> billion. If you learn Smalltalk, the fact you know something that other >>> people might not makes you more special. The only negative part of learning >>> Smalltalk while working on other types of applications is that you will eat >>> your shoe 95% of the time hating that Java / .NET aren't more evolved and >>> flexible :) >>> >>> As it seems that you are already working on a project revolving around >>> Smalltalk, be very happy that you are getting the opportunity to learn it; >>> you'll come out for the better. >>> >>> Lastly, don't care too much about popularity within industry. If you take >>> the time to learn the systems for yourself you will probably learn to >>> understand the differences yourself. You are currently also part of >>> industry and obviously don't know Smalltalk well yet; how informed was your >>> decision to not know Smalltalk? You are part of "the industry" making other >>> people not choose Smalltalk based on your (non-)choice of not using >>> Smalltalk; if they would all think this way! Sheep won't change anything :) >>> >>> cheers, >>> Toon >>> >>> On 05/05/2011 07:38 AM, sourav roy wrote: >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> I have just started my career in Software/IT industry and got into a >>>> project which involes enhancement/maintainance of product built in >>>> Smalltalk. >>>> >>>> I was never exposed to this language before and have no idea if it is used >>>> in the Industry as popularly as JAVA and .NET and looks like its a DEAD >>>> >>>> language for the industry. I may be wrong but i need some clarification >>>> about it. >>>> >>>> >>>> I just want to know that why smalltalk is not so popular as the other OOPs >>>> Languages and what is the future prospect of >>>> >>>> one if he/she is into Smalltalk development. >>>> >>>> Looking for some positive note so that it may give me some entho for >>>> working with Smalltalk. >>>> >>>> Thanks&Regards, >>>> >>>> Sourav Roy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Get Yourself a cool, short @in.com Email ID now! >> >> >> > >
