Hi Lukas, Please read my mails :). I was talking about Pharo distribution which in your language means Pharo Dev. I never argued for Pharo Core. And I also said that the whole misunderstanding stems from the position of the current Pharo image.
To me, the current image is a convenience for the core development team. It is not Pharo Core. It is the Pharo Distribution. The minimal core is still desired, but it was not practical to get there with rudimentary tools. And I am unhappy that the present tools are just not good enough and there does not seem to be any progress in this area. To you, the current Pharo image is the Pharo Core and you are unhappy that it is too big (for example because RB is there). So, I think we have to clarify what it is intended with the current image and how we should organize to get both the minimal core (or maybe it's the kernel) and a distribution with cool dev tools. Cheers, Doru p.s. I am happy that the competition pushes OB to get trees and resizable panes :) On 1 Jan 2012, at 23:07, Lukas Renggli wrote: >> But, most people will load exactly the same thing: one set of development >> tools that should do the basic work nicely. This was the point of the Pharo >> distribution. And it shipped with OB and it was great. > > OB was never part of PharoCore, it was part of a distribution > (PharoDev) that originally Damien and then other people built on top > of PharoCore. For some reasons (not understandable to me) it was > decided not to have this "official" distribution anymore, but people > continued to build and use different distributions (see Moose, > Seaside, ...). > >> Only OB is rather limited, and apparently, it will not be supported anymore >> :). So, from this point of view, a browsing infrastructure is relevant for >> the Pharo distribution. > > OB is supported in Pharo 1.3. In fact, Colin and I have spent a lot of > time during the past months improving OB: laying the ground work for > multi-selection/trees, redesigned the rendering platforms (tool > builder, polymorph, web, ...; drag & drop, resizable panes), , etc. > >> Now, to me it seems that there is a problem with what different people >> understand by Pharo. And I think it would be good to clarify how we should >> get to the core image so that Lukas can get peace of mind :) > > This proposal is as ridiculous as if like Linux would suddenly decide > to include KDE or Gnome in the kernel. > > Lukas > > -- > Lukas Renggli > www.lukas-renggli.ch > -- www.tudorgirba.com "There are no old things, there are only old ways of looking at them."
