On 1 June 2012 10:48, Frank Shearar <[email protected]> wrote: > On 1 June 2012 00:43, Igor Stasenko <[email protected]> wrote: >> I am completely agree with this post. >> A showWhile: pattern takes its roots from modal processing, >> when user is blocked and have to wait till something will give control >> back to him. >> This is inacceptable and should be exterminated. It was excusable for 80's , >> partly excusable in 90's .. and completely inexcusable past 0's. >> >> A progress bar is another abomination of same kind. >> Look at download bars in your internet browser: do they center it in a >> window on top of everything and preventing you from doing anything? or >> maybe they just sit in the corner and not interfere? >> This is a road where we should put our steps on. > > "No modes" is something towards which we should strive. However, don't > forget that downloading a file in a web browser is completely > different to loading a package into an image: the former changes no > state, and the latter can do arbitrary things to the image itself. > > We need _some_ kind of notification, and in fact Chrome _does_ have a > progress bar... but it's a little pie-slice thing down on the bottom > of the screen. I can see it, but it doesn't stop me carrying on > working. So I'd say it's not so much that progress bars are an > abomination, but rather progress bars that stop you from working (like > Monticello's bars (but remember the "you're changing your own brain" > warning previously mentioned)) that are the abomination. > in smalltalk code & data is the same - it just objects. why you think "changing your brain" should stop you from doing something else? When you coding in browser, you alsos changing systems brain.
> frank > >> We should remember once and for eternity: staying responsible to user >> input is most important task for a system. The rest doesn't matters. >> >> >> On 31 May 2012 21:22, Stéphane Ducasse <[email protected]> wrote: >>> http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/userblogs/travis/blogView?showComments=true&printTitle=Cursor_consider_showWhile:_%5BHarmful%5D&entry=3432339015 >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko. >> > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.
