> Stéphane,
> 
> This looks really great, we should move forward with this now that there is 
> this positive momentum.

I'm currently rewriting a nice mail because I just sent my notes during the 
conference. 

> Here are some remarks:
> 
> - The individual levels, 40 and 99 seem right, are they yearly too ?
yes 

> - I would give the individual levels more attractive names: 
>       - Individual (Pharo Consortium) Member [ which would include students ]
>       - Professional (Individual) (Pharo Consortium) Member

Thanks I was looking for better names.

> - The bronze, silver, gold levels (1000, 2000 & 4000 yearly) without 
> reference to company/organization size are great. I would not put in a 
> separate line for institutions. Companies, organizations, institutions, 
> research labs and universities should all be able to choose one of the 3 
> levels, depending on how important Pharo is for them or on how large their 
> use of Pharo is. A small organization could be a gold member if they live or 
> die with Pharo, a multinational could be a bronze member if they only have a 
> small team using Pharo occasionally.

Yes I such got two hours discussion with lawyers and this is the point

> - The goodies/extras at the different levels seem about right.
> - The license concept has a wrong, even dangerous name, maybe we could call 
> it End User Support Contract ?

This is not the same. The idea is that for some lab this is not possible to 
donate money nor be part of the consortium
but they can pay a license for a product and we should be able to hand them a 
bill. 

> - The general day price of 800 sounds a bit high, 600 (75/h) seems a bit more 
> acceptable (but even that is high in an international contest).

This price was an indication. In fact we will have to follow INRIA grid. for 
your information for me this is 850 euros per day but for Igor it should be a 
bit lower ~ 600 

> - The price for the job offering also seems quite high, it is a small 
> community.

ok but the idea is that it will be free for the member companies :)

> - Since we are talking about yearly subscriptions, we'll have to track 
> start/stop intervals carefully since not every subscription will start/stop 
> at the same time.

Oh yes! 

> It will be a challenge to properly represent this on the website.

:)

the real challenge will be to be able to hire somebody for a year when people 
do not pay all at the same time.
Because if we want to pay some smart guys like igor in france we have to get a 
visa (and all the rest).
We will encourage people two pay early and if they can two years in advance. In 
addition 
my team will probably put 20 K on the table and we will probably ask for extra 
months for igor to sustain the bootstrap
I will do an official announce in a couple of days.

Stef
> 
> Sven
> 
> On 14 Jun 2012, at 22:50, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
> 
>> Hi cameron
>> 
>> right now there is no simple way to give money to pharo but we are working 
>> on it. What is the amount that you have in mind.
>> here is a sketch about what we are thinking after I gathered the ideas 
>> people mentioned during the pharo conference.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Individus managed via the association
>> =================
>>      - Supporter                             40 Euros + cup/goody
>>              reduction at conference
>> 
>>      - Ambassador Supporter          99 Euros
>>              reduction at conferences + cup 
>> 
>>      - Donation
>> 
>>      - Training sessions cheaper
>> 
>>      - Conference reduction
>> 
>> managed by  INRIA
>> =========
>> 
>> A company or an institution can be a consortium member:
>> 
>> The annual fees are 
>>      - Bronze       1000  Euros 
>>      - Silver       2000  Euros 
>>      - Gold         4000  Euros      
>> 
>> Institutions   1000 Euros
>> 
>> Main advantages for members.
>> ==========================
>> Non individual members of the consortium get the following advantages:
>>      - privileged access to the core development team via a specific 
>> mailing-list
>>              [email protected]
>> 
>>      - influence priorities of the next development. The member will be able 
>> to propose 
>>      agenda point and items for the core team. They will be requested one 
>> month in 
>>      advance before the annual committee meeting. 
>> 
>>      - get access to privileged support
>> 
>>              - Bronze gets one  day of support and platinum sponsor status. 
>> 
>>              - Silver two days of support + one job description for job 
>> dashboard and platinum sponsor status. 
>> 
>>              - Gold four days of support + 3 job description for job 
>> dashboard and platinum sponsor status.  
>> 
>>      - Training special prices and possibility to become pharo trainer
>>      - Member can advertise themselves on the consortium web site
>>      - Member can also ask and pay for extra support days at 1000 Euros per 
>> day.
>>      - The consortium can provide access experts for certain tasks. 
>> 
>> Sponsoring   
>> =============  
>>                      normal 500 Euros
>>                      platinium 1000 Euros
>>      - Sponsor will get their logos name exposed to the consortium web site.
>>      (the idea is that small companies can pay something)
>> 
>> 
>> License              500 Euros
>> =============
>>                      - via a member a non member company can also ask and 
>> **pay** for extra support days at 800 Euros per day.
>>                      - via a member a non member company can also get 
>> privileged access to core dev via a mailing-list.
>>              (the idea there is to make it like an insurance or a way to 
>> people to donate)
>> 
>> Job offers dashboard
>> =============
>> External entities can post job offers to the consortium job offers for 
>>                      1000 Euros for one job
>>                      2000 Euros for an undefined number
>> 
>> 
>> Gouvernance: steering committee
>> 
>>      • A steering committee is composed of one representative of each member 
>> (except individuals)
>> 
>>      • The chairman of this committee will be Inria
>> 
>>      • Agenda : will be established by Inria on proposals of the members 
>> (the members will be queried a month in advance)
>> 
>>      • Meeting : at least once every year
>> 
>>      • Role :
>>              -Follow the execution of the PHARO R&D Team
>>              -Validate and give input about the task list
>>              -Identify members of the executing commitee
>>              -Prepare, organize conferences, seminars or other animations to 
>> promote PHARO and have new members
>>              -Revise the annual fee
>>      • Decisions making : after consultation and collect of representative 
>> member points of views, Inria takes the final decision.
>> 
>> 
>> Technical Executing Committee (akaR&D task)
>>      •Members proposed by the steering board and RMOD Team
>>      •Study, analyse and validate external contributions for PHARO
>>      •Report to the steering commitee
>>      •Propose, schedule and implement tasks in conformance with the tasks 
>> list presented and approved the steering
>>      •Coordinate the release Pharo and its VMs
>> 
>> 
>> Stef
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 14, 2012, at 9:34 PM, Cameron Sanders wrote:
>> 
>>> I am under the impression that I can donate money to the Pharo group 
>>> through gforge.inria.fr. Is it possible to donate with a credit card right 
>>> through their website? If so, can you please share the link to that page? 
>>> [My tired eyes are not seeing it today and my searches are failing too.] 
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> 
>>> -Cam
>> 
>> 
> 
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