Stef wrote: >I'm really interested in seeing this egg/chicken problem solved by getting >something out the ground. >for the visibility of Pharo and smalltalk in general. So I would love to see >some proposals and some budgets >to see how to Pharo association/ESUG/Consortium/other companies could put >money on the table >to get started.
The way to get this stuff started is to first make sure you can automatically provision whole boxes. There is some work done for this for a gemstone-seaside box: there are chef scripts, mostly by Willem and Norbert https://github.com/noha/virtual-gemstone The place to talk about this is this weekend at FOSDEM. There are devrooms focusing on these issues: Configuration Systems Management (Puppet & Chef), Testing and Automation (the Jenkins guys) Virtualisation on saturday and Cloud on sunday I'm not sure at what market heroku and appfog are aiming. They don't seem to have the right incentives to perform well, as they make more money if you need more instances. Might be perfect for hosting marketing campaigns or so, but definitely not for freemium based business models. DevOps on Hetzner servers might be a lot cheaper. Stephan
