Just for the record when I say I dont like something is a mere stating of an opinion and in no way a chance to offend or downgrade the hard work that went to those libraries. Afterall most of the time I dont even like my own code. There is no right or wrong here, just personal taste.
And I have recommended Spec to several people because its still the simpler way to build GUIs on the go. And I am grateful for the Morphic cleanup and Rubrics extra functionality. For the record my days with Delphi are long gone and I would not leave Pharo to go back to Delphi in a million years. I love Pharo because the things I like are far more than the things I dislike. Keep up the awesome work. You made Pharo my new home and I am here to stay :) On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 10:18 PM Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.al...@gmail.com> wrote: > My problem is not whether Morphic can do this , it can and its not even > any more complex than your Spec code, all I have to do is override the > keyStroke: message, my question was on the formating of the input data, I > assumed since I see several diffirent inputs fiels in pharo that do some > kind of filtering that there was a some kind of formating message or class > but now I see its all custom made. > > I dont use Spec because I am making custom looking gui and I need fine > control over it, every little detail counts. And yes I really dont like its > design because most of it , does not even remotely look like those 3 lines > of code that you just posted. As I said in the past , I have made a single > GUI with Spec, my Nireas GUI was built with it and I did not like the > experience at all. > > > "Delphi has no text editor in the VCL. TEdit is just a wrapper. > And that means that you cannot change the storage structure or > do line breaking. > > And while VCL was great in 1995, there was essentially no development > of it after 2000. The Cocoa/Next GUI APIs are much better than Delphi's, > but they needed much more hardware to run smoothly." > > The guy that made Delphi moved from Borland to Microsoft where he made C# > and .NET and he ported many of his VCL ideas to Winforms. Borland sold > Delphi to another company since they decided to give up on software > development tools field. Delphi continued with the new company but since > the new company has nowhere near the resources of Borland the decided to > embrace .NET while keeping VCL around purely for compatibility reasons. Now > Delphi works on .NET which follow a very similar design to Delphi anyway > and for the first time Delphi can run on all 3 OSes through Mono which the > company does actively support. Delphi still has around a million users > since its still big on Windoom with a lot of legacy code built with it as > it was always the only competing product to VB. Delphi has also a open > source implementation called Free Pascal and Lazarus. > > But all that is besides the point as I was talking GUI API design , in > case of anyone wonders what I like I advise them to take a look at VCL. > > In any case thanks for the suggestions I thought I was missing something > here, but looks like I will need to roll up my sleeves and make my own GUI > API for custom look guis at least one that will cover my needs. > > > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:16 PM Johan Fabry <jfa...@dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> sins you dislike Spec I cannot resist to taunt you with these 3 lines of >> Spec code that do what you want :-P >> >> field := TextInputFieldModel new autoAccept:true; >> acceptBlock: [:text | field text: text asUppercase]. >> field openWithSpec >> >> Note that the transform here is a simple asUppercase, replace that with >> whatever logic suits you. >> >> Spec does have its advantages :-) >> >> On Nov 10, 2015, at 16:03, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.al...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> I have taken a look at rubric elemenst, they look even more messier than >> morphic. I can do something similar with textMorph without messing with >> announcers. It looks to me a bit too much to send an announcement on a key >> event. >> >> Anyway I will give a try at textMorph and will go from there, probably >> subclass it and create my own morph for time input. >> >> "and it got cleaned :) >> >> Stef" >> >> Well my experience with other language has taught me GUI APIs are >> generally a nightmare to work with, the only exception to this rule was >> DELPHI, those guys were just awesome at GUI design. VCL was simple yet >> incredible flexible, I would even dare say the smalltalky thing I have >> used. It takes a ton of effort and expertise to get it that good. >> >> I hope Bloc makes a bit more sense than Morphic, Rubric and Spec. >> >> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 7:59 PM Stephan Eggermont <step...@stack.nl> >> wrote: >> >>> On 10-11-15 18:16, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: >>> > What I want is to create a morph that has the ability to input text >>> from >>> > the user that formats it automatically and allows for a limited amount >>> of >>> > characters. >>> >>> You might want to take a look at RubFloatingEditorBuilder. >>> In #buildEditor you see how to react to announcements send by the >>> RubScrolledTextMorph. If you do The Right Thing in whenKeystroke: >>> (like #setTextWith: and fixing the selection and cursor position) >>> you'll be able to do what you want. >>> >>> Stephan >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- >> >> Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry >> PLEIAD and RyCh labs - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University >> of Chile >> >>
