"Want to know? Pay the dues." i.e keep the barriers to entry high.
This restricts the popularity of languages to those people who are determined to pay the dues no matter what. This is why Pharo language has popularity equivalent to Lasso language's. I'd rather lower the barriers to entry, and have a platform used by more developers and by more solutions-providers and by more end-users. Then again, I'd prefer to use Smalltalk and Pharo for my day-job, and not restrict it to being a hobby. On 8 December 2015 at 22:10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > Whoever works with Hadoop tech would find names like: > > Hadoop > Spark > Cassandra > HBase > Accumulo > Hive > Pig > Impala > Oozie > YARN > Kafka > Flume > Sqoop > ... > > Go datascience and you'll get: > > R > Shiny > Jupyter > Pandas > Bokeh > D3 > > And in JS: > > Node > Angular > Express > > descriptive names? Not at all. > > What matters is not the name, it is its description. > > And, know what, put a generic name and it will be ungooglable. > > Try with Visual Studio Code ... > > Pfah, descriptive project names... As if these were descriptive: > > Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) > Ubuntu 15.04 (Vivid Vervet) > Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS (Trusty Tahr) > Ubuntu 12.04.5 LTS (Precise Pangolin) > > Oh yeah super descriptive names: > > Oracle Communications Diameter Signaling Router > > Have a clue? Enjoy, they have a bunch and renamed a few: > https://www.oracle.com/products/oracle-a-z.html > > Want to know? Pay the dues. > > Phil > > > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Robert Withers <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> I would need to disagree with you as inquiry is possible by description, >> rather than by name, through conversation with those who don't have to >> inquire, due to their knowledge [see Meno's Paradox...]. So, a third >> possibility exists through communal association. Do you know Kevin Bacon? >> ;-) >> >> I've used that language! >> >> On 12/08/2015 04:02 PM, EuanM wrote: >>> >>> The philosophical issue behind the disutility of project names like >>> these is "Meno's Paradox" >>> >>> On 8 December 2015 at 21:01, EuanM <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> "I wish people would choose descriptive names for their projects" - Todd >>>> >>>> I agree. >>>> >>>> I went looking for the current state of dbxtalk recently. It seemed >>>> to ba apackage designed for my needs - to X[-over] from a DB to >>>> [small]talk. >>>> >>>> I went there and the the page started talking about "Glorp" and >>>> "Garage". Neither are mnemonic or meaningful >>>> >>>> These projects are just the tip of the iceberg. >>>> >>>> Pharo project names have publisher-only project names. The project >>>> name equivalent of write-only computer languages, like Brain-F**k. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7 December 2015 at 17:52, Todd Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Sigh. >>>>> >>>>> I wish people would choose descriptive names for their projects. I >>>>> went looking on Smalltalkhub for some capability and what I found are >>>>> thousands of packages with names that mean nothing and no description >>>>> entered either. If you want to make sure nobody ever uses your code >>>>> you've >>>>> just taken a giant step in the right direction. But if you hope to make >>>>> something lots of people benefit from - nobody is going to look for >>>>> "mushroom" when they want crypto capabilities. >>>>> >>>>> Sorry, this has been really bugging me lately. We, as a community, do >>>>> a lousy job of making our code easy to find. >>>>> >>>>> -Todd Blanchard >>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 07:38, Ben Coman <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I like it, but it seems you missed my point :) >>>>>> mushroom --> 117,000,000 is two orders of magnitude more hidden. >>>>>> Anyway, maybe I overplay its significance. >>>>>> cheers -ben >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Robert Withers >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I renamed the project to Mushroom and I also dumped the encoding work >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> focus on shutdown, optimization and serialization. Here's the wiki: >>>>>>> https://github.com/SqueakCryptographySquad/Mushroom/wiki >>>>>>> >>>>>>> thanks,Robert >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/06/2015 01:42 AM, Ben Coman wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Robert Withers >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 12/05/2015 09:24 PM, Ben Coman wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:57 PM, Robert Withers >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Now I think you are right on with your observation. Additionally, >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> number >>>>>>>>>>> of dialects could increase further with Fuel serialization, just >>>>>>>>>>> port >>>>>>>>>>> SecureSession and bits. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Alright, I came up with a name and it may border on the egregious >>>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>> presenting ... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Maelstrom" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Great sounding name. However some general advice for the >>>>>>>>>> community, >>>>>>>>>> since I see a lot of great sounding project names drowned out in >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> noise of our web-search-centric universe. A litmus test for >>>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>>> naming is using google search to find which return low search >>>>>>>>>> results. >>>>>>>>>> Today, its more important to be unique than any other attribute of >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> name. So in general, *dictionary* english words are not the best. >>>>>>>>>> One technique is to intentionally mispell the word you like. Here >>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>> some comparative examples (note, the surrounding quotes are >>>>>>>>>> required >>>>>>>>>> to avoid google trying to be helpful and correct the spelling)... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "maelstrom" --> 7,480,000 >>>>>>>>>> "maelstroom" --> 6,200 >>>>>>>>>> "maelstrum" --> 2,280 >>>>>>>>>> "maelstruum" --> 7 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Lots of interesting other techniques can be found by searching on: >>>>>>>>>> techniques to generate brand names or domain names. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> cheers -ben >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would be happy to change the names to something more unique, >>>>>>>>> though it >>>>>>>>> may >>>>>>>>> take a few. Are you suggesting "maelstruum"? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> cheers, >>>>>>>>> Robert >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Suggesting* yes, but the choice is yours ;) You need to own it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think maelstruum is certainly memorable with the double "u", but >>>>>>>> maybe jarring next the the "m". I'm inclined to maelstroom, since I >>>>>>>> associate it with "zoom". I wouldn't necessarily go for the >>>>>>>> absolute >>>>>>>> lowest results. I have an entirely unsubstantiated belief that >>>>>>>> anything less than 10,000 gives a reasonable chance to compete once >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> user's browsing history is taken into account. Finally you need to >>>>>>>> check existing results don't return something abhorrent (I didn't do >>>>>>>> this). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'd encourage to play around testing on google search. Its quick >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> easy to generate and test alternatives. I've added a few more below. >>>>>>>> "maelstra" --> 3,560 >>>>>>>> "maelstram" --> 504 >>>>>>>> "maelstrim" --> 1200 >>>>>>>> "maelstroon" --> 58 >>>>>>>> "maelstroomi" --> 4 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> btw, I wouldn't swap the order of the "ae" since that would be >>>>>>>> susceptible to real typing errors. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> cheers -ben >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >> >> >> >
