On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 3:36 AM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <offray.l...@mutabit.com> wrote: > Hi, > > > > On 26/01/17 05:43, Serge Stinckwich wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 10:29 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas >> <offray.l...@mutabit.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Jose, >>> >>> I'm building something that has ideas borrowed from Jupyter notebook[a], >>> Leo >>> Editor[b] and Pharo/Smalltalk and few other original ones. The more I see >>> the connections between stuff like Eve[1], org-mode[2], Jupyter Lab[3], I >>> think that the time for literate computing[4] (a development beyond >>> literal >>> programming), reproducible research and live coding is coming. >>> >>> [a] http://jupyter.org/ >>> [b] http://leoeditor.com/ >>> [1] >>> >>> https://hackernoon.com/smalltalk-and-protein-programming-4da245ac93e2#.2riwbeeia >>> [2] https://www.jstatsoft.org/article/view/v046i03 >>> [3] http://jupyterlab.github.io/jupyterlab/ >>> [4] >>> >>> http://blog.jupyter.org/2015/07/07/project-jupyter-computational-narratives-as-the-engine-of-collaborative-data-science/ >> >> I'm currently using Jupyter notebook with some of my students for >> doing simulation of dynamical systems and they love it I guess. I'm >> not a big fan of the UI because it still looks like a web page and the >> interaction is still somewhat limited compared to what you can do with >> Pharo. >> I'm also a big fan of org-mode and even more powefull than Jupyter >> notebooks because you can mix different computer languages at the same >> time and there is a real support for folding. > > > Yes, I am not a big fan of Jupyter notebook neither. Sounds kind of mean, > but the actual interface is like a glorified REPL log, powered by HTML > output, with a linear sequence of single input/output pair of cells. So > notebooks authors have two options: split the document into several files, > loosing the general overview of the document or a single long "reel" of REPL > log, with too much detail at the same time (I have experience this by myself > [1]). I think that org-mode and interactive outliners (as exemplified in > [2][3]) are better suited to manage exploratory literate computing, > interactive documentation, and the "emergent" order that writing implies. > > [1] http://mutabit.com/repos.fossil/piamed/doc/tip/Afiche/narrativa.png > [2] https://youtu.be/dljNabciEGg > [3] http://xiki.org/screencasts/ > > >> If you remember I have >> done a small show us "your project" last ESUG about some experience I >> have done about be able to run Pharo code inside org-mode. > > > Yes, I remember :-). I was also the "USB guy" in the orange cap team :-P, so > I was taking care of logistics and didn't see as much as I would like of the > event :-/ > >> >> At the moment, we are quite interested in my research group to be able >> to a kind of literate style of computing for modeling and simulation >> of complex systems like simulation of epidemiology models. This is >> something we can do with Jupyter but would be even more interesting in >> the context of Pharo. >> >> Eve looks also very interesting but I have to read more about this one. > > [...] >> >> I really like what you done until now with Grafoscopio and I will try >> to help and use it for own work in the future. > > > Because of the uniform, moldable and integrated nature of Pharo, I think > that Grafoscopio, even in its early stages, prototypes stuff that others, > like Jupyter Lab, are trying to reach, for example trying to go beyond the > notebook and having a extensible computing environment available to the > notebooks. With Grafoscopio we already have that (thanks to being "inside" > Pharo). > > Maybe a first try to integrate our work could be to have some Kendrick > notebook in Grafoscopio. I have to fix some important bugs, but Grafoscopio > is already usable for this kind of scenario and, of course, any help is more > that welcomed! > > (There is still a nasty bug about playgrounds that produce text output > replacing the playground code, but I hope to fix it soon). > >> I have to look to Fossil. Is it possible to linked in someways to git ? > > > Yes, there is some fossil to git bridge. I will try to give support to > fossil first, to have a smooth integrated experience, but that doesn't > preclude the use of other DVCS to work with. > >> I was thinking that maybe that I will submit a gsoc proposal to have >> some support in Jupyter notebooks for Pharo. >> Apparently this not that difficult to built a basic support and after >> that we can built some elaborate on top of it. >> What do you about that ? >> >> Regards, > > > I would like better a GSoC proposal to improve Grafoscopio, as a literate > computing environment for Pharo.
This sounds like a good idea. If the project proposal compares and contrasts with the competitors, as well as showing why its not a "me-too" project, this would highlight the advantages of Pharo's approach and why its a worthwhile ecosystem for GSoC to support. cheers -ben > Jupyter is popular but pretty limited in > terms of the notebooks document model and the moldabiliy of the environment > or the live coding capabilities (but it's improving). For me, the big > advantage of Jupyter or Org-mode is their language agnostic architecture, > while Grafoscopio is focused on Pharo/Smalltalk. But language specific > computing suites (like RStudio) are still appealing for projects like GSoC. > > A Grafoscopio GSoC proposal would try to improve several items: > > - User interface and functionality: Keyboard shorcuts, GUI bugs, integrated > pdf export (via pandoc/LaTeX), integrated asynchronous lightweight > collaboration on documents (via fossil DVCS). > - Better test coverage and improving code quality in general. > > GSoC rules doesn't allow being a mentor and a student, so I can not mentor > myself (despite of me kind of doing so with this project :-P). I would > really like to have someone mentoring me this project, helping me with my > knowledge gaps, Spec specific issues, coding in general. > > So, would anyone of the seasoned Pharoers like to mentor this project? I'm > pretty self motivated, but having some guide for this summer to improve my > coding skills with a valuable project for the community will make a big > difference. > > Cheers, > > Offray >
