On 14 April 2018 at 22:15, Sean P. DeNigris <s...@clipperadams.com> wrote:

> Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote
> > Thanks Jochen, thanks everyone.
> Great report! Thanks, Sven :) I was thinking in the same direction - that
> my
> posts always seem to focus on our work moving forward, and I rarely take
> the
> time to do a nice writeup of successful applications like these, of which
> I've had many.
> I was also thinking that many of the recent animated discussions are signs
> of health in our community

I recently came across an interesting hypothesis...
   "There are two types of programming languages.
    Those that people complain about, and those that people don't use."

Is it masochistic to hope we are moving towards the former?

> because:

a) They seem to often involve people that are not regular posters to the
> list, signaling a potential widening of buy-in

While there is likely a growing need to guard against trolls,
consider that newcomers may commit limited time to posting,
be hurting and lash out, and with fresh eyes, may be poking us where it

For us, don't take it personally.  If we focus our response on
the technical aspects, we lead the discussion where we want it to go.

The easiest thing for a Pharo newcomer to do when experiencing problems
is to just drop it and move on to something else.
That they put in the effort to articulate their issues is a good thing,
and are the seeds of a contributor concerned with making Pharo better.

For newcomers, remember that many people have invested a lot of
volunteer effort into Pharo and is something dear to our hearts.
We love specific *constructive* feedback that helps us make Pharo better,
but broad complaints only detract with little benefit.

cheers -ben

P.S. Years ago, this article was influential to me...

> b) While our community values constructive feedback (even if it's very
> direct), it also fiercely protects people who have given us a lot (as
> evidenced by the overwhelming response to a recent trolling on another ML)
> c) Maybe most important: they are often about code and infrastructure that
> didn't even *exist* a few years ago. For example, now we complain about
> breaking builds; I'm sure we all remember not long ago when there was *no*
> CI at all to complain about! It seems amazing that the system is as stable
> as it is considering everything we overhauled/invented, including: streams,
> http, file system, browser (2x), git support, FFI, changes, catalog, the
> compiler, GT…
> For myself, I am clear that any instability is a small price to pay for the
> power and hope that Pharo offers. Every time I drop out of our live,
> direct,
> turetles-all-the-way down into a Ruby script, command line, or
> configuration
> file, this is proven again.
> All we have to do is hang on! It is a well known principle that it often
> seem most difficult just before success and the difference is who quits and
> who doesn't :)
> -----
> Cheers,
> Sean
> --
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