Hi Richard/all - thanks for helping Roelof out. He’s working through the 
exercism.io exercises that we’ve managed to convert so far. As they are based 
on more C like languages, they aren’t always as OO as we want (once we get a 
decent set converted, we’ll try and add some smallish examples - anyone’s 
favourites appreciated).

The dictionary reference is normally because the exercise tests like to assert 
on some description at the end (and dictionaries tend to exist universally in 
most languages). So view it more as a #printOn: like finalé (this said - Roelof 
might have this behaviour in the wrong place - but we will see).

The feedback so far, seems to have helpfully unblocked him so thanks all.

Tim

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> On 31 Mar 2019, at 12:02, Richard O'Keefe <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I think you probably need to show us *all* the code.
> 
> directionLooking: aString
>     self new direction: aString
> 
> Well, there is your problem.
> There are two ways for a method to return a value.
> One is to execute '^ e' for some expression e,
> which is quite like a 'return e;' statement in C.
> The other is to execute the whole body and come to
> the end of the method, and in that case the result
> is always 'self'.  This means that the method as you
> wrote it
>  - created an uninitialised or incompletely initialised
>    instance of Robot (self new)
>  - asked that instance to set its direction
>  - discarded the result of that setting
>  - forgot the new instance
>  - returned the Robot class
> 
> What you probably meant was
> directionLooking: aString
>     ^(self new) direction: aString; yourself
> where 'yourself' has nothing to do with a new
> object being created but with the fact that
> you want the new object as the result, not
> whatever #direction: returns.
> directionLooking: aString
>   |newRobot|
>   newRobot := self new.
>   newRobot direction: aString.
>   ^newRobot
> may be clearer to you.
> 
> By the way, you didn't say WHY the caller wants a Dictionary
> instead of a Robot.  I don't think I've ever written a program
> where that was a good idea.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 at 19:55, Roelof Wobben <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Op 31-3-2019 om 03:47 schreef Richard O'Keefe:
>>> Question 1.  Should that be #asDictionary?
>> 
>> 
>> yes, it does.
>> 
>>> Question 2.  If not, what's a Dictonary?
>>> Question 3.  I see you are using self-encapsulation,
>>>              with a getter 'self robot'
>>>              and a setter 'self robot: something'.
>>>              Of course that means that outside code
>>>              can freely smash your "robot" property,
>>>              unless #robot: checks that its argument
>>>              makes sense.  Does it?
>> 
>> 
>> no, it does not. 
>> 
>> 
>>> Question 4.  What kind of thing *is* "robot".
>>>              Have you checked that 'Robot directionLooking: ...'
>>>              returns an instance of Robot?  If you accidentally
>>>              omitted '^' it might return the Robot class itself.
>> 
>> 
>> yes, I forget the ^ thing 
>> see this code. 
>> 
>> directionLooking: aString
>>     self new direction: aString
>> 
>> 
>> so I have to think well how to return a instance of a Robot here. 
>> 
>> as far as I see  I do not have a robot yet. 
>> 
>> createDirection: aString position: aCollection
>>     self robot: (Robot directionLooking: aString) yourself.
>>     ^ self robot asDictionary
>> 
>> or I overlook something. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Question 5.  Are you sure that 'self robot' returns
>>>              what you think it does?  Have you checked?
>> 
>> yes, I checked. self Robot  give me a variable robot which is a Robot.
>> 
>>> Question 6.  Does Robot have an #asDictionary method?
>>>              Does Robot have an #asDictonary method?
>> 
>> 
>> Yes, it does 
>>> Question 7.  Why is "aCollection" not used in this method?
>> 
>> Because I  wanted to be  sure things are working before I added the position 
>> which is a difficult one. 
>> 
>>> Question 8.  Why are you using 'yourself'?
>> 
>> I thought I was needed so I get a instance of a Robot back. 
>> 
>>> Question 9.  Why does the caller want a dictionary instead of
>>>              a Robot?  What should be in that dictionary?
>>> 
>> 
>> The same data as the Robot has but then in a dictionary form. 
>> That is what I try to achieve. 
>> 
>>> There are more questions but those will do to be going on with.
>>> If your #robot: method began like
>>>     robot: aRobot
>>>       (aRobot isKindOf: Robot)
>>>         ifFalse: [aRobot error: 'not an instance of Robot'].
>>> you would have caught what I suspect is your problem.
>>> Check question 4.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 at 07:19, Roelof Wobben <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> 
>>>> Im busy with a new challenge from exercism.
>>>> Where I have to keep track of a robot , where it facing and on that 
>>>> coordinate the robot is.
>>>> 
>>>> so I made this function what the test wanted
>>>> 
>>>> createDirection: aString position: aCollection
>>>>      self robot: (Robot directionLooking: aString) yourself.
>>>>      ^ self robot asDictonary
>>>> 
>>>> I can see that on the first part a new robot is made with the right data.
>>>> but the test wants the data back as a Dictonary
>>>> that is why I made the self robot asDictonary line
>>>> 
>>>> but to my suprise the compiler wants it be a class method where I expect 
>>>> it to be a instance method.
>>>> 
>>>> Can someone explain to my why this is ?
>>>> 
>>>> Roelof
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 

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