On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: > On 12/8/10 3:25 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote: > > On Wednesday, December 08, 2010 15:03:43 Brad Roberts wrote: > > > On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, Brad Roberts wrote: > > > > I don't think we have concensus (or even a majority) that suggests > > > > moving > > > > forward. I think it does do harm. I think it suggests that we pay > > > > attention to votes, when reality suggests more strongly that we don't. > > > > > > > > Fix the behavior first, imho. > > > > > > Summary so far: > > > > > > yes > > > Andrei Alexandrescu > > > > > > alternate suggestion > > > David Simcha > > > > > > no > > > Brad Roberts > > > Jesse Phillips > > > Steve Schveighoffer > > > Don Clugston > > > > I definitely like the idea of increasing the number of votes and making it > > possible to apply multiple votes to a bug. I definitely have more than 10 > > bugs > > that I'd like to vote on. But I do agree that there's little evidence that > > highly voted bugs get fixed. I don't think that I've ever had a bug that > > I've > > voted on fixed. And if the votes don't actually mean anything, then I'm not > > sure > > that there's much point in using them. > > > > So, I like the idea of increasing the vote count, but if it doesn't affect > > what > > gets fixed, then perhaps it would be better to just get rid of the voting > > entirely. Based on votes, I would have expected stuff like the fact that > > Object > > isn't const-correct to have been fixed ages ago. But there are a number of > > bugs > > which have been around for quite a while which have a number of votes on > > them > > and yet never get fiixed. > > The idea is to indeed have votes affect what is being worked on; otherwise I > wouldn't bother you all. My problem is that I now must pawn votes from some > bug to another. But the larger issue is that with few votes per user and many > opened bugs we have essentially a bimodal distribution, whereas with more > votes per user we have a longer, smoother tail, which is more informative. > > I don't really understand the stiff opposition to this. This is not the time > and the place to criticize the past and present of our process, but instead to > take steps to improve it. Part of improving the process, now that fixing bugs > is a major focus, is to figure out a good ranking function for bugs. And I > believe that increasing the number of votes per user would contribute to that. > Could we please push this through? Let's make it happen. > > > Thanks, > > Andrei
I guess a big part of my resistance is the past, so I'll try to set that asside for a moment. Let's look at the real statistics: total open bugs: 2186 bugs with at least one vote: 328 (15%) votes num bugs 0 1858 1 120 2 59 3 17 4 6 5 7 6 4 7 3 9 1 10 1 12 2 13 1 16 2 17 1 19 2 22 1 42 1 What sort of curve are you looking for? What percentage of bugs with votes? _______________________________________________ phobos mailing list [email protected] http://lists.puremagic.com/mailman/listinfo/phobos
