It also says that the sound is so real, a child would believe that there is a band inside.
Ron L -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Silverman, Adam M. Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 3:05 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 3, Issue 223 If we're discussing Edison ads, I have one framed in my den that shows a little kid holding a small axe. He's about to use it to smash open the phonograph! The caption says "looking for the band". What kind of ad is that? It's like saying, "buy this product so your kids can destroy it"! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 3:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 3, Issue 223 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Phono-L digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Phono-L and Censorship (Douglas Houston) 2. Re: Edison 50741 test pressing (Steven Medved) 3. Re: Phono-L and Censorship (Steven Medved) 4. Re: Phono-L and Censorship ([email protected]) 5. Re: Phono-L and Censorship ([email protected]) 6. Re: Edison 50741 test pressing ([email protected]) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:45:14 -0400 From: "Douglas Houston" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L and Censorship To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On one of the issues of the New Amberola Graphic, they had a reprint of an Edison ad, which cracked me up. It showed a dejected couple on vacation, down in the mouth because there were no new records to play. (There were NONE at all?) Their day was ruined. Next panel showed them gleefully swinging around the place, 'cause the latest hit records had arrived (from someplace). Another Edison ad that I really liked was a Christmas scene where a few little kids were getting their gifts from under the tree, and a new Edison phonograph was among the goodies for the family. The little kids were the beautiful image of carefree, innocent childhood. He did have some good ads. > [Original Message] > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 9/16/2006 11:35:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L and Censorship > > Edison stuck to the mores, business models, and audience awareness of > the > late 19th century far too long. He came from an time when the people > who built > the best machines, for the best prices, got the most business. He > relied way > too much on word of mouth, and skimped on advertising. > > Edison also inexplicably missed out on the fact that from 1900 on, American > cities boomed, and the rural audience that had been so loyal to him began its > long, slow decline that continues to this day. Victor seized the > moment. > They advertised heavily, and often, in large, urban-oriented publications. To > see one of Victor's lavish, colorful spreads in a magazine from that > era almost > makes an Edison fan wince. Victor also invented the "star" system, > with > their long-term contracts. Edison thought it was better to get a half-dozen of > the great artists' best titles, and not be "stuck" with paying them > any more > money for "lesser material." > > It is fitting that one of the world's most famous trademarks, > (Nipper,) has > a gramophone painted over an Edison cylinder machine, and that one of > the > most famous Edison advertising pieces has two toothless geezers > singing along > with a cylinder machine. > > DISCLAIMER! > > To all of you toothless geezers out there. Please do not take offense. > I am > approaching geezerdom at an ever accelerating pace, and my dentist > takes more > of my money every year. > > Randy > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > [email protected] > > Phono-L Archive > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > Support Phono-L > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 18:16:02 -0400 From: "Steven Medved" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison 50741 test pressing To: "Robert Wright" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Robert, You have a DD with an unground edge. EDAR says: We are uncertain if these were samples, factory rejects, or tone test records. I believe they were factory rejects as the one I have had a white grease pencil that circled a 'defect'. I am very careful with my diamond and the defect was so small I would not have noticed unless it had been circled. The lady that had a group of them was in the NJ area so it is my theory that they were factory rejects that workers took home or purchased at a discount. They are not seen very often, I got mine on eBay from a non collector. Amazing how much was ground away. Mine has the title in a marker and no labels. They are hard to come by, I have only seen them on eBay once. Steve > Hey Randy (and anyone else who might know about this stuff), I have a > > rough-edged, no-label test pressing of DD 50741. I don't remember > paying > much for it, but I haven't seen any others for sale while > browsing through > Nauck's auction listings or junking on eBay. Just > how rare is this thing?> > Thanks in advance,> Robert > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 19:05:00 -0400 From: "Steven Medved" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L and Censorship To: "Robert Wright" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" BA Rolfe, Billy Murray, > From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Sat, 16 > Sep 2006 23:20:50 -0500> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L and Censorship> > Great points, all. Know your customer base. Aside from the Happiness Boys, > Dalhart and Rachmaninoff, what major stars recorded regularly for Edison? > All the titles I ever see aren't by artists I'd call major stars of the era.> > > r.> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]>> To: <[email protected]>> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 10:34 PM> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L and Censorship> > > > Edison stuck to the mores, business models, and audience awareness of the> > late 19th century far too long. He came from an time when the people who > > built> > the best machines, for the best prices, got the most business. He relied > > way> > too much on word of mouth, and skimped on advertising.> >> > Edison also inexplicably missed out on the fact that from 1900 on, > > American> > cities boomed, and the rural audience that had been so loyal to him began > > its> > long, slow decline that continues to this day. Victor seized the moment.> > They advertised heavily, and often, in large, urban-oriented > > publications. To> > see one of Victor's lavish, colorful spreads in a magazine from that era > > almost> > makes an Edison fan wince. Victor also invented the "star" system, with> > their long-term contracts. Edison thought it was better to get a > > half-dozen of> > the great artists' best titles, and not be "stuck" with paying them any > > more> > money for "lesser material."> >> > It is fitting that one of the world's most famous trademarks, (Nipper,) > > has> > a gramophone painted over an Edison cylinder machine, and that one of the> > most famous Edison advertising pieces has two toothless geezers singing > > along> > with a cylinder machine.> >> > DISCLAIMER!> >> > To all of you toothless geezers out there. Please do not take offense. I > > am> > approaching geezerdom at an ever accelerating pace, and my dentist takes > > more> > of my money every year.> >> > Randy> > _______________________________________________> > Phono-L mailing list> > [email protected]> >> > Phono-L Archive> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/> >> > Support Phono-L> > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank> > > > _______________________________________________> Phono-L mailing list> [email protected]> > Phono-L Archive> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/> > Support Phono-L> http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:34:49 EDT From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L and Censorship To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I haven't seen those Edison ads, but there are a lot of things I haven't seen. I am glad some of his ads were good, but the nod for quantity of advertising expenditures and consistent quality of the ads would certainly have to go to Victor. I wish Edison had realized the importance of advertising. I really do. I love his machines. I think Victor pushed their artists as the stars, and their machines as the best means to hear them. For Edison, the machines and records were the stars. He saw the artists as being almost incidental. That is why the earliest Diamond Disks don't even give the names of the artists who made the records. Randy ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:42:14 EDT From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L and Censorship To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Towards the end of the Edison's company's days, the "Old Man" grudgingly let his son take a more active role in record production. That is why the late Diamond Disks have some of the best music Edison ever released. The selections were "up to date," and wonderfully recorded. Edison should have stepped aside sooner. Alas, he was not willing to do so until it was too late to save the company. Randy ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:27:48 EDT From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison 50741 test pressing To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Over the years, I have run across 6 or 8 of these Diamond Discs with unground edges in general line antique shops nearby, and I live 5 hours away from West Orange. Clearly, these records were not factory rejects, so I wouldn't classify all "unground edge" examples that way. A few of mine appear to have a superior surface on one side - as if an extra layer of some finish had been applied to the Condensite. For this reason, I believe that some DDs with unground edges were used for Tone Tests. George Paul ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list [email protected] http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l End of Phono-L Digest, Vol 3, Issue 223 *************************************** _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list [email protected] Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
