If memory serves, the black and brass horns that have "Pat Appld For"
stamped in the black metal, very close to the bead where the bell joins
the horn were used by Victor. Also, Victor horns typically had a quicker
"flare" to the bell. Columbia horns, in general, appear to have a brass
bell that follows the line of the cone horn further out, before flaring
just closer to the outside edge of the bell. The flare out is much less
dramatic.

Hard to describe without having two horns to show you.

Please correct me if my information is wrong, but this is what I was
taught many years ago.

Jeff
Wisconsin



-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of gregory caringi
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 12:02 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Phono-L] ID Early Victor & Columbia Horns

Need an expert opinion. Both the early front mount Victor & Columbia 
machines used similar black & brass horns. Since the early Victor horns
did 
not have the HMV logo, how do you tell the difference between the Victor
& 
Columbia products? Thanks.

Greg Caringi


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