I think there are two other factors to consider. When eBay first started, common phonographs like Victrola IX's regularly sold for $400 +. The reason for this is that new collectors looking for their first machines had no idea how readily available they were and bid them up. I remember when I first started buying on eBay I would be very disapointed when I lost an item assuming I wouldn't see another one for quite some time. Then a week or so later an identical object would show up on eBay. Most seasoned collectors bit their teeth on machines like Victrola VI's and IX's and usually have several kicking around in their basements looking for a new home and making a reasonable return to their owners. Therefore they all wound up on eBay. This drove the price down as potential buyers with savy learned to wait a while once the price got too high. The second factor affecting eBay auction prices is snipping. Before this became fairly common, people would see an Item and leave a max bid on eBay and wait until the end of the auction. Two or three people doing this on the first day of an auction can drive the price out of sight. This attracts additional attention to the item and more potential bidders. Snipping eliminates all this early activity and confines the fireworks to the last minute of the auction, too late to generate a lot of additional interest. I think these factors are all normal attributes of the supply and demand curve and in the long run good for both buyers and sellers. This thread proves it. You find people overwealmed by the pice the 5000 series BA sold for and then lamenting the low prices for Vogue records. It all proves that there's sstil a lot of exciting stuff out there and experience creativity and a little luck will deturmine the final price.
-------------- Original message -------------- From: <[email protected]> > Albert: You are right that Vogue prices has sharply declined for most of > them. I blame eBay for this effect, rather than reproductions of them. > Before eBay, Vogues were a fairly uncommon item. Now you can buy them, > except the few rare titles, readily on eBay. I don't know if most > collectors would have any interest in the repros anyway. The price drop is > a perfect example of the supply vs. demand principle. The demand for them > has remained fairly constant, while the supply has dramatically increased, > so the price must go down. I would not be surprised to see the same thing > happen to most of the 5000 series Blue Amberols, as more and more are > showing up on eBay. We have already seen the effect with Edison Standards, > Homes, and other common machines. As far as the WurliTzer 1015s go, I did > not know you could get them as low as 5K. You may be right about the > repros in this case, since jukebox collectors seem to be a different breed > from phono collectors. There is a 1015 listed now starting at $9500 with a > Buy It Now of 10K. In any case, it is surprising that the prices for them > has either declined or stayed the same for at least 10 years. Hard to > figure since they are really fun to have. (I am not a jukebox collector, > but I have a 1015 and it is the only machine in my music collection that the > grandchildren have any interest in ). Happy collecting. > > Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Albert" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 3:33 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] you're the cream............... > > > > Ray: I got caught up on the Vogue frenzy "I got to have them all" > syndrome. > > Now the thrill is gone and alas, vogues are worth about half as much now > as > > five years ago.. This was the case of reproductions flooding the market. > I > > also got burned on my WurliTzer 1015. " I got to have one" cost me > $10,000. > > back in 1995. Now you can buy them all day on ebay for five grand. I > blame > > the reproductions. When the price of Idelia reaches forty thousand, just > > watch. It is inevitable that Somebody is going to produce a perfect > > reproduction, then watch the originals plummet. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > > Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 10:12 AM > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] you're the cream............... > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > [email protected] > > Phono-L Archive > http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ From [email protected] Mon Feb 20 08:13:26 2006 From: [email protected] (Steven Medved) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:11:25 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] records/real cream In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> This one was offered on eBay and did not meet reserve around $800.00. Steve > >After trading off my BA 5716 that cost me $2.50, it occurred to me that >somewhere around here is the last Diamond Disk." I got a cold in my >nooze". I think it's in the garage. First $2000.00 offer gets it!!! It's >cold in the garage. I paid $1.50 for it but that was some time ago. >Better than cream in your coffee!!! I have other 5000 BA starting at >$1500. Theres a trick to pick, pickin a chicken, etc...Red headed widow >was the cause of it all etc >Oldcranky havin' fun >
