I notice that lately many phonographs are showing up on big auction houses that 
are charging buyers premiums of 20 to 22.5%.  It will not be too long before it 
is 25-30%, if they can get away with it.  The largest phono auction house, 
Stanton's, still doesn't charge any premium at all, and they seem to be doing 
just fine.  The buyer's premium, or better name "buyers penalty" is just a 
gimmick to make larger profits for the auction house.  Some collectors say you 
can just keep your bid lower to compensate, but in practice the buyer ends up 
spending more.  It would be nice if all phonograph collectors would refrain 
from bidding on any machine for which there is a buyers premium, but of course 
that is just wishful thinking.  Some collectors with unlimited cash will 
probably spend whatever it takes to get that special machine, buyers premium or 
not.  Any comments?
Ray  
From [email protected]  Wed Aug 23 13:57:48 2006
From: [email protected] (john robles)
Date: Sun Dec 24 13:11:50 2006
Subject: [Phono-L] Auction buyers premiums
In-Reply-To: <000801c6c6f5$694f4e10$6101a...@wilenzick>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>

I have been against buyer's premium for years. It seems like the auction houses 
who practice this heinous crime, and there are many, are basically just raking 
it in on both ends. They earn their commission from the seller, and then charge 
a 'premium' to the buyer. Why should one pay for the privilege of spending 
their own money, and why should the auction house profit from both sides? They 
are the agent for the seller, let the seller's commission be enough, or let the 
auction house raise it if it isn't enough.
  John RObles

[email protected] wrote:
  I notice that lately many phonographs are showing up on big auction houses 
that are charging buyers premiums of 20 to 22.5%. It will not be too long 
before it is 25-30%, if they can get away with it. The largest phono auction 
house, Stanton's, still doesn't charge any premium at all, and they seem to be 
doing just fine. The buyer's premium, or better name "buyers penalty" is just a 
gimmick to make larger profits for the auction house. Some collectors say you 
can just keep your bid lower to compensate, but in practice the buyer ends up 
spending more. It would be nice if all phonograph collectors would refrain from 
bidding on any machine for which there is a buyers premium, but of course that 
is just wishful thinking. Some collectors with unlimited cash will probably 
spend whatever it takes to get that special machine, buyers premium or not. Any 
comments?
Ray 
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