In a message dated 5/12/2007 7:02:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes:
Hi folks. If anyone on the list has Dethlefson/Wile's Diamond Disc compendium, This reminded me that I got to chat with Allan Sutton of Mainspring Press at the ARSC Conference and learned further info that he and Ray Wile are working on a NEW version of the Edison Disc Listing - now long out of print. To make it manageable - in the style of Allan's recent Blue Amberol Book, they are starting with the last 3 years or so (1926-29, I think.). It should be out be the end of the summer. This will be a super book based on Allan's past publications. Steve Ramm ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From [email protected] Sun May 13 14:25:50 2007 From: [email protected] (JOHN J GUTHRIE) Date: Sun May 13 15:24:49 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Phono-L Digest, Vol 4, Issue 111 References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <002901c795a5$481078d0$2f01a...@john> An e-bay member for three years,and NO feedback for him ????? ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 3:00 PM Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 4, Issue 111 > Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Phono-L digest..." > > > If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this > entire digest in your message. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Why hasn't anyone bid? (Norman Bruderhofer) > 2. Re: Why hasn't anyone bid? (Dan Kj) > 3. Re: Why hasn't anyone bid? ([email protected]) > 4. Re: Why hasn't anyone bid? (Dennis Back) > 5. Re: Why hasn't anyone bid? (john robles) > 6. RE: Why hasn't anyone bid? (john robles) > 7. Dalhart/Edison question (Robert Wright) > 8. RE: Why hasn't anyone bid? (Walt) > 9. Re: Why hasn't anyone bid? ([email protected]) > 10. Re: Why hasn't anyone bid? (George Glastris, Edison Gallery) > 11. Re: Why hasn't anyone bid? (Robert Wright) > 12. Re: Dalhart/Edison question (estott) > 13. Re: Why hasn't anyone bid? ([email protected]) > 14. RE: Why hasn't anyone bid? (Walt) > 15. Re: Why hasn't anyone bid? (George Glastris, Edison Gallery) > 16. Re: link to Steve's ARSC Conference Photos (Andrew Baron) > 17. Re: Dalhart/Edison question ([email protected]) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 21:59:48 +0200 > From: Norman Bruderhofer <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Why hasn't anyone bid? > To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; > x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4FA440C3 > > Well, you are just right. Here's Grandma's Graphophone QQ. It -has- > to be rare because it is from 1894 and the seller has a modest price... > Beware of the "small whirring sound" ! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290114785170 > > Greetings, > Norman > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 16:03:41 -0400 > From: "Dan Kj" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Why hasn't anyone bid? > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <001701c794d0$a3d01520$8a01a...@new> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; > reply-type=response > > Plus $80 (EIGHTY!) to mail a machine you can hold in one hand. sheesh. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norman Bruderhofer" <[email protected]> > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 3:59 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Why hasn't anyone bid? > > >> Well, you are just right. Here's Grandma's Graphophone QQ. It -has- >> to be rare because it is from 1894 and the seller has a modest price... >> Beware of the "small whirring sound" ! >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290114785170 >> >> Greetings, >> Norman > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 16:52:29 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Why hasn't anyone bid? > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > In a message dated 5/12/2007 1:07:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > It -has- to be rare because it is from 1894 and the seller has a modest > price... > > > > ======================================= > > As long as we're looking at great values on eBay, you surely wouldn't want > to miss this lavishly described treasure: > > _http://cgi.ebay.com/RCA-VICTOR-VICTROLA_W0QQitemZ150121729723_ > (http://cgi.ebay.com/RCA-VICTOR-VICTROLA_W0QQitemZ150121729723) > > Best regards, > Rene Rondeau > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 14:13:34 -0700 (PDT) > From: Dennis Back <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Why hasn't anyone bid? > To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > --- Dan Kj <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Plus $80 (EIGHTY!) to mail a machine you can hold in >> one hand. sheesh. > > Ahhhh...Dan, you are wrong. The machine goes in one > hand, BUT.....he is including TWO CYLINDERS (which > will go in the OTHER hand) = $80 shipping. > > ;-) > > I have to go now.....I have to get back to my backyard > and all the mason jars. > > Dennis > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________You > > snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck > in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. > http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_html.html > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 15:39:08 -0700 (PDT) > From: john robles <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Why hasn't anyone bid? > To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Notice how the guy said if it didn't sell on ebay he would send it to an > auction house? Then he ended it and started it again to allow > international buyers to bid? This guy's blowing smoke. Whoever said it was > worth 5 million was crazy, and this guy knows he'll never get that, so > he's desperately trying at ebay to sell it for half a mil. Pathetic. > > Robert Plavzic <[email protected]> wrote: I wonder? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ONLY-KNOWN-THOMAS-EDISON-PHONOGRAPH-STORE-WINDOW-DECAL_W0QQitemZ290114213264QQihZ019QQcategoryZ37841QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > Or one could save up and probably buy all the phonographs at the the Union > show for the same money! > > It does raise the question as to where some people get their idea of > prices. > The usual story of peope who have Grandma's Graphophone B and because its > old and they have never seen another think that it must be worth a few > thousand $ ! > > all the best > > Rob > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 15:39:34 -0700 (PDT) > From: john robles <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Why hasn't anyone bid? > To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > That was probably him shilling. > > Steven Medved <[email protected]> wrote: Someone did bid when it had a > reserve.http://tinyurl.com/3drhp7ttthttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=019&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=290112620275 > > Sat, 12 May 2007 17:44:30 +0200> From: [email protected]> To: > [email protected]> Subject: [Phono-L] Why hasn't anyone bid?> > I > wonder?> > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ONLY-KNOWN-THOMAS-EDISON-PHONOGRAPH-STORE-WINDOW-DECAL_W0QQitemZ290114213264QQihZ019QQcategoryZ37841QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem> > > > Or one could save up and probably buy all the phonographs at the the > Union> show for the same money!> > It does raise the question as to where > some people get their idea of prices.> The usual story of peope who have > Grandma's Graphophone B and because its> old and they have never seen > another think that it must be worth a few> thousand $ !> > all the best> > > Rob> _______________________________________________> Phono-L mailing > list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org_______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 17:50:58 -0500 > From: "Robert Wright" <[email protected]> > Subject: [Phono-L] Dalhart/Edison question > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi folks. If anyone on the list has Dethlefson/Wile's Diamond Disc > compendium, can someone tell me how many takes of Vernon Dalhart's "In The > Baggage Coach Ahead" were issued? (My DD is 51557-R, mx 10315-B-1-5, and > the BA I just received is 5011, with a tiny 5 immediately after "PATD.") > These two recordings are obviously different takes, and if there are more > out there, I'd love to find them as well. Lot of sentimental value > associated with this song for me, in its (I assume) Edison-exclusive > longer > version (all the non-Edison 78's I have of Dalhart singing this song leave > out whole verses). > > Thanks in advance! > > Best to all, > Robert > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 19:05:47 -0400 > From: "Walt" <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Why hasn't anyone bid? > To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <000501c794ea$17370b90$0200a...@daddell> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > This is actually located very close to me. I wonder what would happen if I > asked to inspect it? Or do you think that the security guards or orderlies > on "that floor" of the hospital would even let me in? > > Imagine paying the seller fees on that bad boy! > > W > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On > Behalf Of john robles > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 6:40 PM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Why hasn't anyone bid? > > That was probably him shilling. > > Steven Medved <[email protected]> wrote: Someone did bid when it had a > reserve.http://tinyurl.com/3drhp7ttthttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie > wItem&ih=019&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=290112620275 Sat, > 12 > May 2007 17:44:30 +0200> From: [email protected]> To: > [email protected]> > Subject: [Phono-L] Why hasn't anyone bid?> > I wonder?> > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ONLY-KNOWN-THOMAS-EDISON-PHONOGRAPH-STORE-WINDOW-DECAL_W > 0QQitemZ290114213264QQihZ019QQcategoryZ37841QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem> > Or one > could save up and probably buy all the phonographs at the the Union> show > for the same money!> > It does raise the question as to where some people > get their idea of prices.> The usual story of peope who have Grandma's > Graphophone B and because its> old and they have never seen another think > that it must be worth a few> thousand $ !> > all the best> > Rob> > _______________________________________________> Phono-L mailing list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org_______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.8/800 - Release Date: 5/11/2007 > 7:34 PM > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 18:59:23 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Why hasn't anyone bid? > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > My guess is that when there was a reserve, someone decided to yank his > chain > and place a bid knowing that there was no legal obligation. Once the > seller > relisted it without reserve no jokers are about to put their necks on the > line. > > I also suspect that the international inquiries he got were from the fake > check scam artists who plague high-ticket items on eBay. He may well end > up > "selling" it for $250K and getting a bogus check for $260K, with a request > to > refund the "overpayment" by Western Union. > > I almost feel like writing the guy a note but even if I bend over > backwards > to be polite I'm sure he'll just figure I'm trying to con him out of his > fortune. He'd be very lucky to get $250 for it in a truly open auction, > let alone > $250,000..... > > Best regards, > Rene Rondeau > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 18:40:29 -0500 > From: "George Glastris, Edison Gallery" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Why hasn't anyone bid? > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <00c801c794ee$ed0df270$6401a...@none05vofc1vwp> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > For a laugh, I emailed him and asked which "major NY auction house" gave > him > that appraisal, and here is his reply..... > > "I would love to tell you, but I had to sign a confidentiallity agreement > certifying I wouldn't disclose that information to any third party, or > publish it. Just to be clear, it wasn't an appraisal. It was an auction > estimate. The estimate is what they feel they would get for it, if they > offered it for sale. An appraisal would be a written document, used for > insurance purposes. I will say it is one of the 2 largest houses in the > world. If you don't feel comfortable, please don't bid. I understand how > you > feel. If this doesn't work out, I am going to send it off to NYC, and pay > the 35%, which I am trying to avoid. Thanks for your inquiry. Greg" > > Well, as someone who used to work for the major auction houses, I can tell > you, they never make you sign anything of the sot. And while an appraisal > and an auction estimate are not technically the same thing, you can > appraise > something for auction purposes or for insurance purposes. So, in other > words, this guy is lying out the wazoo! > > If only he knew that he was giving so much entertainment to us. > > Best to all, > George Glastris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 5:59 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Why hasn't anyone bid? > > >> My guess is that when there was a reserve, someone decided to yank his >> chain >> and place a bid knowing that there was no legal obligation. Once the >> seller >> relisted it without reserve no jokers are about to put their necks on the >> line. >> >> I also suspect that the international inquiries he got were from the fake >> check scam artists who plague high-ticket items on eBay. He may well end >> up >> "selling" it for $250K and getting a bogus check for $260K, with a >> request >> to >> refund the "overpayment" by Western Union. >> >> I almost feel like writing the guy a note but even if I bend over >> backwards >> to be polite I'm sure he'll just figure I'm trying to con him out of his >> fortune. He'd be very lucky to get $250 for it in a truly open auction, >> let alone >> $250,000..... >> >> Best regards, >> Rene Rondeau >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's free at >> http://www.aol.com. >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 18:54:11 -0500 > From: "Robert Wright" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Why hasn't anyone bid? > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > It would be interesting to take an identical machine to him and make the > following offer: Either buy my machine for $15,000, or sell me yours for > $300. If you're so sure yours is worth $250K, then you can't possibly > afford to pass this machine up for $15K. > > -r. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 5:59 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Why hasn't anyone bid? > > >> My guess is that when there was a reserve, someone decided to yank his >> chain >> and place a bid knowing that there was no legal obligation. Once the >> seller >> relisted it without reserve no jokers are about to put their necks on the >> line. >> >> I also suspect that the international inquiries he got were from the fake >> check scam artists who plague high-ticket items on eBay. He may well end >> up >> "selling" it for $250K and getting a bogus check for $260K, with a >> request >> to >> refund the "overpayment" by Western Union. >> >> I almost feel like writing the guy a note but even if I bend over >> backwards >> to be polite I'm sure he'll just figure I'm trying to con him out of his >> fortune. He'd be very lucky to get $250 for it in a truly open auction, >> let alone >> $250,000..... >> >> Best regards, >> Rene Rondeau >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's free at >> http://www.aol.com. >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 20:39:17 -0400 > From: "estott" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Dalhart/Edison question > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <001501c794f7$23ce8b00$47e6f...@esjqacchoqgqch> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Wright" <[email protected]> > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 6:50 PM > Subject: [Phono-L] Dalhart/Edison question > > >> Lot of sentimental value associated with this song for me, in its (I >> assume) Edison-exclusive longer version (all the non-Edison 78's I have >> of >> Dalhart singing this song leave out whole verses). >> > > In all fairness it's a very long song- I have two piano roll versions. > The > disconnect between the verse and the cheerful waltz melody is striking, > although not unusual. "Letter Edged in Black" has a positively sprightly > tune, as does "The Death of Floyd Collins" > > Stott > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 21:39:24 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Why hasn't anyone bid? > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > So, the seller says "If this doesn't work out, I am going to send it off > to > NYC, and pay the 35%, which I am trying to avoid." That means when it goes > up > in a real, no-reserve live auction, he'll pocket a cool $150 or so after > commission -- if he's very, very lucky. He'd do a whole lot better just > putting > it back on eBay at $1 opening bid and no reserve..... > > How much is it costing him to list these auctions???? He's probably > paying > eBay more than he could ever get out of the decal.... > > Best regards, > Rene Rondeau > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 22:12:21 -0400 > From: "Walt" <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Why hasn't anyone bid? > To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <000801c79504$25b5d5b0$0200a...@daddell> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > The auction estimate seems more to serve the auction house's [potential] > interest and not the owner. That is, they want to see whether or not they > might be interested in consigning an item. I believe that even "the 2 > largest houses" will provide an auction estimate at no charge (it just > takes > a while - a long while). They do not say that you cannot state that you > had > an estimate from such and such an auction house, just that you cannot > state > what the value is that the estimate provides. It's all designed to serve > the > auction house. The reason the seller doesn't mention which "major NY > auction > house" gave the auction estimate is because there is no auction estimate. > If, for example, I had an auction estimate prepared for, say, a > Vernis-Martin (which is impossible because Bob Johnson has them all...but > just pretend...) by Sotheby's I would crazy to not state that I had > obtained > an auction estimate from them and they would love their name mentioned. > But, > beyond the mention of the house I am obliged (probably by New York State > Law > - dunno for sure) to not reveal the estimated value. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On > Behalf Of George Glastris, Edison Gallery > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 7:40 PM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Why hasn't anyone bid? > > For a laugh, I emailed him and asked which "major NY auction house" gave > him > that appraisal, and here is his reply..... > > "I would love to tell you, but I had to sign a confidentiallity agreement > certifying I wouldn't disclose that information to any third party, or > publish it. Just to be clear, it wasn't an appraisal. It was an auction > estimate. The estimate is what they feel they would get for it, if they > offered it for sale. An appraisal would be a written document, used for > insurance purposes. I will say it is one of the 2 largest houses in the > world. If you don't feel comfortable, please don't bid. I understand how > you > feel. If this doesn't work out, I am going to send it off to NYC, and pay > the 35%, which I am trying to avoid. Thanks for your inquiry. Greg" > > Well, as someone who used to work for the major auction houses, I can tell > you, they never make you sign anything of the sot. And while an appraisal > and an auction estimate are not technically the same thing, you can > appraise > something for auction purposes or for insurance purposes. So, in other > words, this guy is lying out the wazoo! > > If only he knew that he was giving so much entertainment to us. > > Best to all, > George Glastris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 5:59 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Why hasn't anyone bid? > > >> My guess is that when there was a reserve, someone decided to yank his >> chain >> and place a bid knowing that there was no legal obligation. Once the >> seller >> relisted it without reserve no jokers are about to put their necks on the >> line. >> >> I also suspect that the international inquiries he got were from the fake >> check scam artists who plague high-ticket items on eBay. He may well end >> up >> "selling" it for $250K and getting a bogus check for $260K, with a >> request >> to >> refund the "overpayment" by Western Union. >> >> I almost feel like writing the guy a note but even if I bend over >> backwards >> to be polite I'm sure he'll just figure I'm trying to con him out of his >> fortune. He'd be very lucky to get $250 for it in a truly open auction, >> let alone >> $250,000..... >> >> Best regards, >> Rene Rondeau >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's free at >> http://www.aol.com. >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.8/800 - Release Date: 5/11/2007 > 7:34 PM > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 21:56:18 -0500 > From: "George Glastris, Edison Gallery" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Why hasn't anyone bid? > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <012901c7950a$4a3ad650$6401a...@none05vofc1vwp> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > On the contrary, if Christie's, Sotheby's or any auctioneer says your > Georgian Ping Pong > Table, with inlaid plastic ducks, could bring $2,000-3,000 at auction or > should be insured for $5,000 there is nothing whatsoever to stop you > telling > the whole world. Trust me, I've done more appraisals then this man has > had > hot dinners, and he's totally lying. The standard reply states that > appraisals/valuations/estimates what every you wish to call them, is a > matter of opinion, and carries no guarantee. At the same time, there is > no > mention of it being confidential. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Walt" <[email protected]> > To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 9:12 PM > Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Why hasn't anyone bid? > > > The auction estimate seems more to serve the auction house's [potential] > interest and not the owner. That is, they want to see whether or not they > might be interested in consigning an item. I believe that even "the 2 > largest houses" will provide an auction estimate at no charge (it just > takes > a while - a long while). They do not say that you cannot state that you > had > an estimate from such and such an auction house, just that you cannot > state > what the value is that the estimate provides. It's all designed to serve > the > auction house. The reason the seller doesn't mention which "major NY > auction > house" gave the auction estimate is because there is no auction estimate. > If, for example, I had an auction estimate prepared for, say, a > Vernis-Martin (which is impossible because Bob Johnson has them all...but > just pretend...) by Sotheby's I would crazy to not state that I had > obtained > an auction estimate from them and they would love their name mentioned. > But, > beyond the mention of the house I am obliged (probably by New York State > Law > - dunno for sure) to not reveal the estimated value. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On > Behalf Of George Glastris, Edison Gallery > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 7:40 PM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Why hasn't anyone bid? > > For a laugh, I emailed him and asked which "major NY auction house" gave > him > that appraisal, and here is his reply..... > > "I would love to tell you, but I had to sign a confidentiallity agreement > certifying I wouldn't disclose that information to any third party, or > publish it. Just to be clear, it wasn't an appraisal. It was an auction > estimate. The estimate is what they feel they would get for it, if they > offered it for sale. An appraisal would be a written document, used for > insurance purposes. I will say it is one of the 2 largest houses in the > world. If you don't feel comfortable, please don't bid. I understand how > you > feel. If this doesn't work out, I am going to send it off to NYC, and pay > the 35%, which I am trying to avoid. Thanks for your inquiry. Greg" > > Well, as someone who used to work for the major auction houses, I can tell > you, they never make you sign anything of the sot. And while an appraisal > and an auction estimate are not technically the same thing, you can > appraise > something for auction purposes or for insurance purposes. So, in other > words, this guy is lying out the wazoo! > > If only he knew that he was giving so much entertainment to us. > > Best to all, > George Glastris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 5:59 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Why hasn't anyone bid? > > >> My guess is that when there was a reserve, someone decided to yank his >> chain >> and place a bid knowing that there was no legal obligation. Once the >> seller >> relisted it without reserve no jokers are about to put their necks on the >> line. >> >> I also suspect that the international inquiries he got were from the fake >> check scam artists who plague high-ticket items on eBay. He may well end >> up >> "selling" it for $250K and getting a bogus check for $260K, with a >> request >> to >> refund the "overpayment" by Western Union. >> >> I almost feel like writing the guy a note but even if I bend over >> backwards >> to be polite I'm sure he'll just figure I'm trying to con him out of his >> fortune. He'd be very lucky to get $250 for it in a truly open auction, >> let alone >> $250,000..... >> >> Best regards, >> Rene Rondeau >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's free at >> http://www.aol.com. >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.8/800 - Release Date: 5/11/2007 > 7:34 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 22:02:51 -0600 > From: Andrew Baron <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] link to Steve's ARSC Conference Photos > To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Thakn you Peter for this link. The San Fillipo carousel house, > mansion and contents would take my breath away --if I had any left > after seeing those picture--. So I'll just have to type it here. > > Thanks again, > Andy > > > On May 11, 2007, at 8:56 PM, Peter Fraser wrote: > >> here is the link: >> >> http://pictures.aol.com/ap/viewShare.do? >> shareInfo=mFQYMXJcDsWmhYUuGGmSIy4uO9CijqD1wr2jU51vRI5WGd%2bBXiXp6w% >> 3d%3d >> >> or, tinyurl-ified: >> >> http://tinyurl.com/2bne9y >> >> cheers. >> >> On May 11, 2007, at 7:49 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> >>> In a message dated 5/11/2007 3:56:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>> [email protected] writes: >>> no link was included. >>> It was in the email. Others got it. Best way is to email me at >>> [email protected] and I'll send direct to you. >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >> >> -- peter >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 08:35:27 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Dalhart/Edison question > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > In a message dated 5/12/2007 7:02:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Hi folks. If anyone on the list has Dethlefson/Wile's Diamond Disc > compendium, > > > This reminded me that I got to chat with Allan Sutton of Mainspring Press > at > the ARSC Conference and learned further info that he and Ray Wile are > working > on a NEW version of the Edison Disc Listing - now long out of print. To > make > it manageable - in the style of Allan's recent Blue Amberol Book, they > are > starting with the last 3 years or so (1926-29, I think.). It should be > out be > the end of the summer. This will be a super book based on Allan's past > publications. > > Steve Ramm > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > End of Phono-L Digest, Vol 4, Issue 111 > ***************************************
