--- Anil Menon <[email protected]> wrote:
> ..... What is the
> significance of the numbers
> and are there instances of reproducers not having
> any serial numbers?
I hope whoever reports back with the information will
mention the numbers (or lack of) on the Paul Baker
REPRODUCTION reproducers that were almost identical to
the originals in looks and sound.
Thanks,
Dennis
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From [email protected] Sun Jul 22 18:25:36 2007
From: [email protected] (Steven Medved)
Date: Sun Jul 22 18:27:09 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] Serial Numbers on Reproducers
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Hi Dennis,
Paul Baker C, H and K reproducers have serial numbers, they begin with a P and
end with a B, P213B is an example of his serial number. Paul used a larger
diameter link so his reproducers have a bit more volume than the originals and
are very well made.
Steve
> > I hope whoever reports back with the information will> mention the numbers
> > (or lack of) on the Paul Baker> REPRODUCTION reproducers that were almost
> > identical to> the originals in looks and sound.> > Thanks,> Dennis> > > >
> > ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready
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From [email protected] Sun Jul 22 18:58:55 2007
From: [email protected] (wayne holznagel)
Date: Sun Jul 22 19:01:01 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] Silvertone Catalog & Information
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Hi Joan,
I was reviewing my "sent" file tonight and it looks like I failed to respond
to your note below. I know I started a note or two but there have been a lot
of interruptions lately when I am on the computer. Sorry. Usually I am much
better at responding.
I would be delighted to send you a cd. I picked up the discs and labels
tonight. It will not be a demanding project so I am hoping to complete the
scanning over the next few nights. (Meant to have it done by now but work
called . . . many times in fact.) I purchased an older Sears catalog off
internet last week and am hoping that it will have a page or two of related
items. The requests for the Silvertone cd is really great. I didn't realize
that anyone else would be interested in an off brand. It's actually sort of
neat.
I checked my postcards and do not have any with a couple & light bulb as you
described. Most of my postcards are real picture images. I am very fond of
cabinet card photos and stereoviews also. Not too long ago I purchased a neat
stereoview on internet that had a non parilel (think I've got that spelled
right) cabinet with Home phonograph built in. Very nice image. I am going to
submit it to In the Groove when time allows. (Usually I submit my pictures to
the WIMAPS group. They generally publish one each issue.)
My daughter will be home next weekend. I am very excited. We don't get to
see her any where often enough. She calls every week but that just isn't the
same. I am restoring an old nipper head (from a 36" plastic one). Just need
to paint the ears. Her room mate wanted a bodyless Nipper. I gave the
headless body to someone . . . my daughter had to hold it in her apartment til
she could deliver it. All her college friends thought it was pretty cool. The
head was such a disaster that I was going to toss it when I realized how I
could restore it. It will look pretty nice.
Time for me to run along. Hope you have a wonderful week.
[email protected] wrote:
Hi Wayne,
It was nice chatting with all of you Saturday night. Merle and I were
chatting earlier in the day and she reminded me of the Sat. night chat.
I would be interested in your Silvertone catalog and information. Here is my
name and mailing address;
Joan Lehman
1970 Temple School Road
Dover, PA 17315-2350
I will send you something from our collection as a thank you.
Joan
<:)>
Wayne H
My website is at http://www.phonomantiques.com/
From [email protected] Sun Jul 22 19:11:32 2007
From: [email protected] (Steven Medved)
Date: Sun Jul 22 19:13:09 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] Serial Numbers on Reproducers
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Hi Anil,
Please let me know if you received my off list e-mail I sent.
I believe Edison started out with 1 and worked his way up. When he reached
999,999 he added a letter. On his DD reproducers he got clear up to F, on his C
H K the letter B was the highest and I have never seen one of these over
B99,999. On the early B the lowest serial number I have is 82.
The C H K shared the same serial numbers, the R and S shared serial numbers,
and the O was alone until the N came along and the O and N shared serial
numbers, but I know of at least two N-56 that have R & S serial numbers. Back
when you could buy a C new, it cost $5 which was a weeks wages, I believe, so
each one was taken very seriously. Each reproducer had its own serial number.
12557 is the highest iron and brass O and 13340 is the lowest pot metal O.
Dome tops on the O and N came out arount 41000, below are examples. All Edison
reproducers have serial numbers, unless they are reproductions. The large top
could be used for an R S O N or N-56 and the last ones were drilled for a hinge
block and had all three holes tapped out on the bottom so you could add the
adapter and make an R or S, or add a hinge block and make the top into a bent
weight N. On the large tops Edison made the hinge block threads large so the
adapter screw was the same size. If you give me the serial number of your O I
can tell you what it will look like. For example 7500 would be an iron and
brass O, 14000 would be a flat top and 45000 would be the early dome top with
poor pot metal and 60,000 would be the late dome top with the good pot metal.
This type has the word reproducer in a lowered area followed by a period.
41262 dome trowel poor pot metal eBay 330024557695
41263 flat top trowel Edison never had a definite cut off, you see a mixture.
How do I know these things? Mostly by seeing examples, so I welcome serial
numbers and suggestions. With the R and S all of these are pot metal tops, and
I have never seen an R or S above 32000 while the O and N went to 70,000, but I
have never seen one of these above 71,000 except for ones that start with the
letter A and I know of three tops that start with an A, none over A340. The
N-56 came out in March 1913 according to Frow, below are serial numbers I have
seen, you can see the serial number differences between the regular O and N and
the R and S.
N-56 A287
N-56 70766
31707 (R&S S/N) N-56
31104 (R&S S/N) N-56
With the DD reproducers you have codes and serial numbers.
Edison DD reproducers have letters before the serial numbers some are codes:
On the regular reproducer Edison started out with 1 and worked his way up to
999,999 and then started over with B and he got clear up to the letter F. On
the regular DD you will note letters & A to F standard DD reproducer *
NS after the serial number is an Edisonic 7960 NS is an example of this.
* NS after the serial number beginning with letter is a Converted Edisonic
F88690 NS is an example of this. You could trade in a regular reproducer and
$6.75 and save $12.75 on an Edisonic; Edison then modified the head with a
larger limit loop and installed the heavy weight and thicker diaphragm on it.
LG is long playing LonGEM is one with Duncan stop Electro Magnetic or Electric
ModelLD is the Dance Loud Dance
NS stands for New Standard.
Each phonograph and reproducer had a serial number, when the model O came out
it was two weeks wages and Edison was serious about keeping track and control
of his products mainly to protect his patents.
With regards to DD serial numbers, 947, a copper oxidized is the earliest
serial number I have seen, F80885 in the gun metal or antique finish is the
latest and it was converted to an Edisonic so the serial number is F80885 NS.
I have seen two Dance reproducers that were converted to the New Standard they
have serial numbers like ?LD 9476 NS? and did not have the small spring or the
cross bar it was connected to above the reproducer?s cup.
Steve
> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:33:40 -0400> To: [email protected]> From:
> [email protected]> Subject: [Phono-L] Serial Numbers on Reproducers> >
> > > Hello:> > Similar to the research on serial numbers for the edison
> cylinder> phonographs, I was wondering if anyone has done research on serial
> numbers> on Edison reproducers for the cylinder phonographs. For example,
> what is> the lowest serial numbers associated with the different models and
> do they> mean anything? I have been fascinated by the fact that, for example,
> on> many of the ebay auctions, sellers list (and sometimes bidders ask) for>
> the serial number of reproducers. What is the significance of the numbers>
> and are there instances of reproducers not having any serial numbers? > >
> thanks....anil> > Anil Menon> www.edisonphonos.com> > >
> _______________________________________________> Phono-L mailing list>
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From [email protected] Sun Jul 22 19:14:47 2007
From: [email protected] (Steven Medved)
Date: Sun Jul 22 19:19:05 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] Serial Numbers on Reproducers
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Last large top dome type.
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From [email protected] Sun Jul 22 19:15:57 2007
From: [email protected] (Steven Medved)
Date: Sun Jul 22 19:19:12 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] Serial Numbers on Reproducers
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Early dome top, poor pot metal.
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From [email protected] Sun Jul 22 19:35:27 2007
From: [email protected] (estott)
Date: Sun Jul 22 19:39:46 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] Silvertone Catalog & Information
References: <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <000601c7ccd2$22761170$35e6f...@esjqacchoqgqch>
For an "Off" brand, there are a LOT ofSilvertones out there, and they've got
their own particular brand traits, not just rebranded columbias or just an
assortment of supplier's parts like a lot of minor makes. In general
Silvertones have very nice cabinets, many above average for the prices they
sold for I just wish the quality of the motors & castings had been as
consistant.
They certainly outsold Montgomery Ward as larger model Cecilian phonographs
aren't nearly as common.
Eric Stott
----- Original Message -----
From: "wayne holznagel" <[email protected]>
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Silvertone Catalog & Information
> Hi Joan,
> I was reviewing my "sent" file tonight and it looks like I failed to
> respond to your note below. I know I started a note or two but there have
> been a lot of interruptions lately when I am on the computer. Sorry.
> Usually I am much better at responding.
> I would be delighted to send you a cd. I picked up the discs and labels
> tonight. It will not be a demanding project so I am hoping to complete
> the scanning over the next few nights. (Meant to have it done by now but
> work called . . . many times in fact.) I purchased an older Sears catalog
> off internet last week and am hoping that it will have a page or two of
> related items. The requests for the Silvertone cd is really great. I
> didn't realize that anyone else would be interested in an off brand. It's
> actually sort of neat.
