Hi, all------ I hate to be cynical, but it really shouldn't surprise anyone that these kind of shenanigans occur on eBay -- it's just chock full of fraud from the littlest "I don't have a crank, so I don't know if it works" to the biggest shill bidding and false sales. And eBay unfortunately facilitates the crooks, though I'm certain they'd prefer to root them out and get rid of them. It's just that the whole eBay system allows charlatans to flourish because it is not based on merit. Con artists can get lots of positive feedback as long as their victims remain uninformed, or are afraid to give negative feedback because they know they will receive a negative in retaliation. Even if everyone within the range of this list recognizes the chicanery, there are many others out there ready to be snared. Anyway----- I used to really get shook up about these things, but I'm starting to get used to it---- which I suppose is the most cynical comment of all! And that's my cynicism for the day............... Tim Fabrizio phonophan PO Box 747 Henrietta, NY 14467
TEL 585 582 1586 FAX 585 582 2624 Web site: www.phonophan.com ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From [email protected] Sun Aug 26 20:25:34 2007 From: [email protected] (Andrew Baron) Date: Sun Aug 26 20:40:29 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] A-250 update 8-26-07 In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Thanks, Loran. I appreciate the invitation. Here's the latest, compliments of Bruce R. Young (with apologies for this belated addition). Note that based on Bruce's serial number, if we assume that Frow's information on the tone modulator date is correct, we can now document approximately 3,200 A-250's produced from November to December 9, 1914. Bruce's A-250 is the lowest serial number to have the tone modulator, so far, and pushes the production of A-250's so equipped up by over 900 units. Edison A-250 Search for differences in details, and study to determine approximate time of manufacture. Answers in same order as on questionnaire. If the motor board has a different serial number than the dataplate on the cabinet, results for specific motor and motor board details are listed under the motor board serial number (found under platter), while all other results are listed under the dataplate number. Motor board serial numbers are listed without their A1 suffix, and cabinet (dataplate) numbers are listed without their SM prefix. Please note that questions 14 through 19 have now been added to the initial questionnaire. Owner name (question 13) is optional. This compilation currently maintains the same question order as the original questionnaire, with added questions at the bottom, but may be updated in future to a better organized format. Note that we now have three different printing form dates from which we can narrow down the approximate production dates of the A-250: 11-20-12; 4-3-14; 8-20-14. Please let us know if you have one not shown here. To compare date results, based on the dataplate patent number and Form 631 printing form date, see items 10b and 11. Please consider adding your data to this study. Thank you, Andy Baron Santa Fe, NM 2) Start/stop levers style: EARLY: Serial #158, #161, #171, #1429 LATE: Serial #5751, #10248, #11187, #12080 3) Bedplate corner detail: EARLY: Serial #1429 MIDDLE (Similar to early but dots in different place): Serial #5751 LATE: Serial #10248, #11187, #12033 4) # of PIVOTING oil hole covers on bedplate: TWO: Serial #1429, #5751, #10248 ONE: Serial #12033 5) Tone modulator present?: NO: Serial #1429 YES: Serial #10248, #11187, #12033 (dataplate #13417), Serial #12080 (bedplate #5751) 6) Key escutheon style: FLUSH MOUNT EMBEDDED: Serial #1429, #10248, #11187, #12080 SURFACE MOUNT WITH GOLD TRIM NAILS: Serial #13417 7) Depth of upper grille groove: 1/4 INCH: Serial #1429, #10248, #12080 1/2 INCH: Serial #13417 7b) Grille fretwork thickness: 5/16 INCH: Serial #1429 1/4 INCH: Serial #10248, #12080 3/8 INCH: Serial #13417 7c) Overall height of grill frame: 13 3/4 INCH: Serial #10248, #12080 13 7/8 INCH: Serial #13417 8) Louvres on cabinet as per Amberola 1A? YES: #158, #161, #171, (unconfirmed) NO: Serial #1429, #10248, #12080, #13417 9) Side veneer number of sections per panel: ONE: Serial #1429, #10248, #12080 TWO: Serial #13417 10) Form 632 present? NO: YES: Serial #1429, #10248, #12080, #13417 10a) Location of Form 632: INSIDE BACK DOOR (upside down when closed): Serial #1429, #10248, #12080 FLOOR OF HORN COMPARTMENT: Serial #13417 10b) Printer?s date at bottom of Form 632: 11-20-12: Serial #1429 4-3-14: Serial #10248, #12080 8-20-14: Serial #13417 11) Latest patent date on dataplate: 8-29-11: Serial #1429 3-11-13: Serial #10248, #12080, #13417 12) Other notes: Serial #13417: There?s a second paper measuring 2 1/2 x 1 1/8, printed with ?No: 13417, Disc Phonograph, Model A-250? affixed to the floor of horn compartment by two tacks. 13) Owner (optional): Serial #161: Ron Dethlefson Serial #1429: Andy Baron Serial #10248 Bruce R. Young Serial #11187 (name permission pending) Serial #12080 (dataplate), #5751 A1: John D. Robles Serial #13417 (dataplate), #12033-A1: Jim Fox 14) Direction of winding gear teeth in relation to crank: STRAIGHT: Serial #1429 ANGLED: Serial #13417 15) Oil tubes present at winding stem bushings? (this is a tube pair from a single cup): NO: Serial #1429 YES: Serial #12033 16) Serial number (matching or otherwise) stamped in motor frame? NO: Serial #1429 YES: Serial #13417 17) Evidence of original grille cloth, and color? NO: YES: Serial #13417 emerald green 18) Cabinet finish (may add more specifics later): Red mahogany: Serial #1429 Dark mahogany: Serial #13417 Oak: Serial #11187 19) Number of mainsprings (Frow indicates earliest production may have had single-spring motors). Spring barrels are visible if you remove the grille and peer into the motor compartment by looking in the upper r.h. corner. A flashlight helps. The spring closest to the winding crank will be more visible. One: Two: Serial #1429, 5751, 11187, 12033. On Aug 26, 2007, at 8:22 PM, Loran T. Hughes wrote: > Andy, > > Please feel free to continue posting you updates! > > Loran > > On Aug 26, 2007, at 6:53 PM, Andrew Baron wrote: > >> For those who are following this study, two more questions have >> been added to the bottom of the Edison A-250 questionnaire: >> 18) Cabinet finish (may add more specifics later): >> Red mahogany: Serial #1429 >> Dark mahogany: Serial #13417 >> Oak: Serial: #11187 >> >> 19) Number of mainsprings (Frow indicates earliest production may >> have had single-spring motors). Spring barrels are visible if you >> remove the grille and peer into the motor compartment by looking >> in the upper r.h. corner. A flashlight helps. The spring closest >> to the winding crank will be more visible. >> One: >> Two: Serial #1429, 5751, 11187, 12033. >> >> I'll continue to update the list as I obtain more data. For those >> who may be interested in following this study, please let me know >> if you would like to have me post updates to this list as I add >> each additional machine, or have me post updates with each two or >> three machines added (if we should be so fortunate), or if you >> prefer to contact me instead. Now that I have the list formatted, >> it's convenient to include additional entries and post the updates. >> >> Best regards, >> Andy > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
