Bruce, George This is a "late" Home model dating to around 1903-05. It is not a model C. Model C's cases look similar to a Home but have an earlier motor type (Model C cranks come out of the case on the centerline of the turntable vs. a 1" offset on the Home). This is also easily identified as a "late" model Home because the base trim configuration was simplified partway through the model run or production. Earlier Homes had case and base trim like the model C.
Most Home models have the script wording on the front "Home" and the Universal Talking Machine Mfr. Co. decal on the back. Later models of the Home are often found with the front decal missing (never installed). Model C's have no decals anywhere and have the white celluloid tag on the back under the crank stating Zon-o-phone and National Gram-o-phone Corporation + address. Bottom of the celluloid tag has Universal Talking Machine Co. If anyone on the list is interested, I have a very early Home model with Home script writing on front and a white celluloid tag on the back. 100% original and 100% correct machine right down to the Concert V reproducer and 24" horn set-up. It has a very early Home serial number which explains the white celluloid tag....very cool machine. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "BruceY" <[email protected]> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 4:47 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Universal Talking Machine > Thanks for the info, by the way, I only referred to the Machine that way, > because the word Zonophone is not listed in the Auction anywhere by the > obviously unastute Auction/Seller, who refers to it only as a Universal > Talking Machine. I thought it might be some kind of ultra-rare, undiscovered > ultra-rare animal. > > Bruce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 11:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Universal Talking Machine > > >> >> This appears to be a Type "C" equipped with larger support/traveling arms >> to accommodate a larger horn (but not the horn that's currently on it).? I >> never heard of a "Frank Seamans pre Zonophone Machine" other than the >> Gibson Gramophone, the Montross Berliner, or perhaps a United States >> Talking Machine, and this is not any of those. >> >> George Paul >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BruceY <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 9:06 pm >> Subject: [Phono-L] Universal Talking Machine >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> This has got to be an exceptionally early Frank Seamans pre Zonophone >> Machine? >> does anyone know what model this is? does it look all original?? This >> fellow has >> a live auction going on here. It even has a buyers premium of 22.5%. There >> is >> not even a full description of the items as to condition etc. This is >> totally >> Buyer Beware!! >> >> http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330219604163&rd=1 >> >> >> Bruce >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > From [email protected] Sun Mar 16 16:48:16 2008 From: [email protected] (Eric Boyles) Date: Sun Mar 16 16:48:26 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Repeater parts needed Message-ID: <[email protected]> Does anyone have the arm and pulley w/gear to fit a Edison repeater that you can part with? I have the front worm piece......... Please contact me off list....... Thanks, Eric [email protected] From [email protected] Sun Mar 16 16:50:06 2008 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Sun Mar 16 16:57:41 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Universal Talking Machine Message-ID: <[email protected]> In a message dated 3/16/2008 7:40:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: This is a "late" Home model dating to around 1903-05. It is not a model C. -------------------------- It is the C that morphs, over time, into the 'Home.' Every year, it had fewer and fewer horizontal 'molding' lines. The most intricate cabinet, of course, was the very first in 1900, when there was no flat surface area at all. It was quite handsome. The first Zonophones have a non-phonograph patent (by Valiquet) on the celluloid tag to warn off infringers. The use of the word 'Zonophone' goes back to 1898. There was an interesting article on the subject in (Calif) CAPS. The unusual (and rare) Gibson machine, ca 1900, was never offered for public sale, as far as I know - at least, I have never seen an ad for it. But it was patented, filed for in Mar of that year (with partners Smith and Morton). Allen _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From [email protected] Sun Mar 16 18:08:56 2008 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Sun Mar 16 18:09:14 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Universal Talking Machine In-Reply-To: <001e01c887b7$e72648f0$0200a...@office> References: <000a01c88702$05d3a560$6401a...@user52c8f93503><[email protected]> <005201c8875b$755e09d0$6401a...@user52c8f93503> <001e01c887b7$e72648f0$0200a...@office> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Boy, am I glad I took a closer look and corrected my earlier response - - would my face have been red!?? George Paul -----Original Message----- From: Mark Albertson <[email protected]> To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 6:48 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Universal Talking Machine Bruce, George This is a "late" Home model dating to around 1903-05. It is not a model C. Model C's cases look similar to a Home but have an earlier motor type (Model C cranks come out of the case on the centerline of the turntable vs. a 1" offset on the Home). This is also easily identified as a "late" model Home because the base trim configuration was simplified partway through the model run or production. Earlier Homes had case and base trim like the model C. Most Home models have the script wording on the front "Home" and the Universal Talking Machine Mfr. Co. decal on the back. Later models of the Home are often found with the front decal missing (never installed). Model C's have no decals anywhere and have the white celluloid tag on the back under the crank stating Zon-o-phone and National Gram-o-phone Corporation + address. Bottom of the celluloid tag has Universal Talking Machine Co. If anyone on the list is interested, I have a very early Home model with Home script writing on front and a white celluloid tag on the back. 100% original and 100% correct machine right down to the Concert V reproducer and 24" horn set-up. It has a very early Home serial number which explains the white celluloid tag....very cool machine. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "BruceY" <[email protected]> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 4:47 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Universal Talking Machine > Thanks for the info, by the way, I only referred to the Machine that way, > because the word Zonophone is not listed in the Auction anywhere by the > obviously unastute Auction/Seller, who refers to it only as a Universal > Talking Machine. I thought it might be some kind of ultra-rare, undiscovered > ultra-rare animal. > > Bruce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 11:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Universal Talking Machine > > >> >> This appears to be a Type "C" equipped with larger support/traveling arms >> to accommodate a larger horn (but not the horn that's currently on it).? I >> never heard of a "Frank Seamans pre Zonophone Machine" other than the >> Gibson Gramophone, the Montross Berliner, or perhaps a United States >> Talking Machine, and this is not any of those. >> >> George Paul >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BruceY <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 9:06 pm >> Subject: [Phono-L] Universal Talking Machine >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> This has got to be an exceptionally early Frank Seamans pre Zonophone >> Machine? >> does anyone know what model this is? does it look all original?? This >> fellow has >> a live auction going on here. It even has a buyers premium of 22.5%. There >> is >> not even a full description of the items as to condition etc. This is >> totally >> Buyer Beware!! >> >> http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330219604163&rd=1 >> >> >> Bruce >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
