As both a buyer and seller on eBay for 10 years I would say that 
Thatcher has made a very sound point on how to conduct business.  As a 
seller I will accept a U.S. Postal MO or PayPal and that is it unless it 
is a low value item.  As a buyer it is either PayPal or the U.S. Postal 
M.O. anything else and your recovery options are severely limited and 
time consuming.  For eye to eye transactions I prefer pictures of dead 
presidents or Ben Franklin.

Thatcher Graham wrote:
> 
> I couldn't agree more.  I've had growing objects to the way eBay handles 
> things.  When buyers refuse to pay or sellers refuse to ship I leave 
> negative feedback.  they of course leave retaliatory negative feedback.  
> Ebay will not delete feedback.  They will just refer you to their Fair 
> Trade department. that department is Mutual feedback withdrawal form. 
> the result being that you never get your money back (or your item) but 
> you can erase your bad rating... and the bad buyer/seller keeps their 
> pristine rating.
> 
> I only buy via paypal so I can get my money back.  And as a seller I 
> only accept paypal. It's what I recommend to anyone that intends to use 
> eBay.
> 
> -- Thatcher
> 
From [email protected]  Wed Mar 26 06:10:05 2008
From: [email protected] (Robert Plavzic)
Date: Wed Mar 26 06:10:26 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] Help with german portable
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Hi Eric

Great bargain! Looks like the soundbox you are bidding on could fit, however
the soundbox is a bit older than the portable. From the pics it looks as if
the portable was "radio ready", which adds to the interesting features of
the machine.

European soundboxes whether inside or outside fitting types are not always a
standard size. :-)

Rob

On 3/26/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Hello- I've won a Parlophon portable on Ebay- haven't gotten it
> yet, but I may need some help.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170202855046
>
> It's missing the soundbox, in it's place is one of those devices that
> would play a record through your radio. Problem is, it's a European
> fitting where the box fits inside the arm. Does anyone have one of
> these around? I've put in a bid for This:
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=180226712398&ssPageName=STRK:MEBI:IT&ih=008
>
> but there's no guarantee it will fit- I'm taking a blind try. I though
> the machine had a very attractive interior, and Parlophon machines
> aren't common on the US market.
>
> On a further note, the machine will need some recovering- does anyone
> still make that leather-grained black cloth?
>
> Eric Stott
>
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From [email protected]  Wed Mar 26 07:13:28 2008
From: [email protected] (Douglas Houston)
Date: Wed Mar 26 07:13:55 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] Wurlitzer P-12
Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Albert;

Could you tell me which Wurlitzer  box  used the  amplifier that had a 45 
driving puish-pull 45's power amps....? The chassis was painted gold (as 
probably all  Wurlitzers   were).

I was was amused at your  description of "going through grooves like a plow". 
When I was a kid, one of my friends' family had a Mills DoReMi in their dining 
room. Rather unconventional place for it, but that's where it was. Now, talk 
about a record plow!  The player had a Webster-Racine horseshoe magnetic pickup 
and the stylus pressure must have weighed in at pounds.  Sure as shootin', I'd 
never have put any of my records on that thing. Lord, what a shellac grinder 
that thing was!

But it had a really neat amplifier. Push-Pull 2A3's. 


> [Original Message]
> From: Albert <[email protected]>
> To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]>
> Date: 3/25/2008 10:32:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Wurlitzer P-12
>
> The P-12 is a great early Jukebox.  The only thing you will need to do is 
> lighten the tone arm and install a modern cartridge.  This will enable you 
> play your 78s without going through the grooves like a plow.  If it has the 
> original amplifier you will find it has a very smooth tone with great 
> fidelity and volume.  Subscribe to Always Jukin' There are hundreds of 
> dealers and jukebox enthusiasts out there.  It is my passion.  I have 13 pre 
> war Wurlitzers and well as Seeburgs and Rockolas.  My best source for Parts 
> is "Musical fun for everyone"  Bill Butterfield in Napa California.  Al 
> Menashe
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ken and Brenda Brekke" <[email protected]>
> To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 7:01 PM
> Subject: [Phono-L] Wurlitzer P-12
>
>
> >I recently was able to purchase a 1934 Wurlitzer P-12 jukebox.  Can anyone
> > on this list refer me to where I can purchase any service manuals or 
> > parts?
> > Thanks in advance,   Ken B.
> >
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From [email protected]  Wed Mar 26 10:22:42 2008
From: [email protected] (Albert)
Date: Wed Mar 26 10:50:25 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] Wurlitzer P-12
References: <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <001a01c88f66$007edf50$7501a...@albert>

No actually most WurliTzer amps after 1937 are painted red with the 
exception of the W-800 which was gold and the counter models which also were 
gold.   Yes the P12 and the 412 used the gold amps with the 45 tubes.  They 
really sound good considering the technology at the time.  I had Jukebox 
Friday night restore the amp on my 412 and it is awsome.  Funny you 
mentioned I had a mills for many years, I just loved watching the ferris 
wheel mech.  I did however install an Astatic 51-2 cartridge and removed the 
weight from the head.  It didnt look as good, but at least I was able to 
play my Rhino records (reproduction 78's)
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Douglas Houston" <[email protected]>
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Wurlitzer P-12


> Albert;
>
> Could you tell me which Wurlitzer  box  used the  amplifier that had a 45 
> driving puish-pull 45's power amps....? The chassis was painted gold (as 
> probably all  Wurlitzers   were).
>
> I was was amused at your  description of "going through grooves like a 
> plow". When I was a kid, one of my friends' family had a Mills DoReMi in 
> their dining room. Rather unconventional place for it, but that's where it 
> was. Now, talk about a record plow!  The player had a Webster-Racine 
> horseshoe magnetic pickup and the stylus pressure must have weighed in at 
> pounds.  Sure as shootin', I'd never have put any of my records on that 
> thing. Lord, what a shellac grinder that thing was!
>
> But it had a really neat amplifier. Push-Pull 2A3's.
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Albert <[email protected]>
>> To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]>
>> Date: 3/25/2008 10:32:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Wurlitzer P-12
>>
>> The P-12 is a great early Jukebox.  The only thing you will need to do is
>> lighten the tone arm and install a modern cartridge.  This will enable 
>> you
>> play your 78s without going through the grooves like a plow.  If it has 
>> the
>> original amplifier you will find it has a very smooth tone with great
>> fidelity and volume.  Subscribe to Always Jukin' There are hundreds of
>> dealers and jukebox enthusiasts out there.  It is my passion.  I have 13 
>> pre
>> war Wurlitzers and well as Seeburgs and Rockolas.  My best source for 
>> Parts
>> is "Musical fun for everyone"  Bill Butterfield in Napa California.  Al
>> Menashe
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ken and Brenda Brekke" <[email protected]>
>> To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 7:01 PM
>> Subject: [Phono-L] Wurlitzer P-12
>>
>>
>> >I recently was able to purchase a 1934 Wurlitzer P-12 jukebox.  Can 
>> >anyone
>> > on this list refer me to where I can purchase any service manuals or
>> > parts?
>> > Thanks in advance,   Ken B.
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Phono-L mailing list
>> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>> >
>> >
>> > -- 
>> > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.
>> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>> > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/955 - Release Date: 
>> > 8/15/2007
>> > 4:55 PM
>> >
>>
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