I can't find my reference but I think I heard somewhere that there were phonoautograph recordings of President Lincoln made in the 1860s. Anyone else heard of that? I might not be remembering it correclty.
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 12:49 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Loran, > > Thanks very much for passing this along. I had been wondering where David > was all winter! > > This is a significant development in recorded sound research, and should > put to rest (at least until an earlier phonautographic tracing is found) the > question of the "world's oldest playable recording." This is one of the few > times I'm thankful for computer-based technology - - and isn't it an ironic > relationship? > > George Paul > > > ? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From [email protected] Thu Mar 27 18:35:35 2008 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Thu Mar 27 18:35:57 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Wurlitzer P-12 Message-ID: <[email protected]> Dear Doug, I hope your mono MacIntosh preamp is the C-8 "Record Compensator" which has ten switches that can be set to compensate for many recording curves. Very truly yours, Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances EarthLink Revolves Around You. > [Original Message] > From: Douglas Houston <[email protected]> > To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> > Date: 3/26/2008 10:42:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Wurlitzer P-12 > > Greg; > > Yeah, I have a pair of those beasts in the living room. These are the Patrician IV, which have the 18 inch woofer, Klipsch loaded. They're being driven by a Fisher 800C. Like the guy in your message, I like to play George Wright recordings on them. He's pretty generous with the 32 foot pipes, and the E-V's go down below sound, and put the room in motion, or so it feels. They're seismic. > > Now, sit down and hang on for this one. The living room ones are in mahogany factory furniture. There are two others in the basement that were kits in their beginnings. I have my miscellaneous amplifiers and tape and disc players there. I haven't used the first one down there for a while, but it's patched to a Brook 10A all triode amplifier with a companion preamp. A friend from Massachusetts and I were fooling around with that stuff a few years ago, decided to buck the Patrician (I had only one at the time) against one of my Altec A-7's. The Altecs were fine speakers, but the Patrician blew the A-7 out of the water. As good as the A-7's were they couldn't keep up with the E-V's. Because of space needs downstairs, I had to sell the Altecs. > > You want another? I have a collection of about 6000 78 discs. They're in cabinets in the basement. For auditioning the records, I have a Garrard transcription table, playing into a Mcintosh mono preamp, feeding a Mac 30 amplifier. It drives an E-V 12TRXB in an Aristocrat cabinet. It brings out the best in the shellac platters. Audio stuff is a lot of fun. > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Greg Bogantz <[email protected]> > > To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> > > Date: 3/26/2008 5:32:41 PM > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Wurlitzer P-12 > > > > Doug, have you got a PAIR of Patricians? You're only the second guy > > I've heard of to own them. For those who don't know what these are, they > > were 4-way HUGE loudspeaker systems that employed a 30-inch! woofer in a > > corner-horn enclosure that was vastly efficient. My friend who had them in > > his basement could blow the windows out of the house with about 8 watts of > > audio per each. Needless to say, he liked to play pipe organ music. LOUD > > :o) > > > > Greg Bogantz > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Douglas Houston" <[email protected]> > > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 3:27 PM > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Wurlitzer P-12 > > > > > > > Thanks, Albert. I have one of those amplifiers, and I plan on re-capping > > > it. I worked in a radio store when I was a kid, and they had a record > > > counter. The audition amplifier was one of that model and, as you said, it > > > sounded good. Speaking in general terms, frequency response in Juke boxes > > > was strongly peaked in the low end. The customers loved it, and I'm sure > > > that the restaurant owners had the treble turned all the way to full cut. > > > Anyway, that amp will probably sound good with a preamp, such as a Fisher > > > 80 nseries feeding it. I have a feeling that it's better than commonly > > > thought. It's all about the transformers in it. > > > > > > Some time, immediately after the war, the Harmonicats did "Peg Of My > > > Heart" > > > on the VitaCoustic label. The record began with four notes, then a deep > > > bass string. Whatever the jukebox in that place was, that bass note almost > > > knocked stuff off the walls. It was in a neighborhood soda shop where us > > > kids congregated. I played that selection lots of times. I do have the > > > disc somewhere, and if I can find it, I'd like to play it on my E-V > > > Patricians some time. It'll probably crack plaster! > > > > > > > > >> [Original Message] > > >> From: Albert <[email protected]> > > >> To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> > > >> Date: 3/26/2008 1:24:49 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Wurlitzer P-12 > > >> > > >> No actually most WurliTzer amps after 1937 are painted red with the > > >> exception of the W-800 which was gold and the counter models which also > > > were > > >> gold. Yes the P12 and the 412 used the gold amps with the 45 tubes. > > > They > > >> really sound good considering the technology at the time. I had Jukebox > > >> Friday night restore the amp on my 412 and it is awsome. Funny you > > >> mentioned I had a mills for many years, I just loved watching the ferris > > >> wheel mech. I did however install an Astatic 51-2 cartridge and removed > > > the > > >> weight from the head. It didnt look as good, but at least I was able to > > >> play my Rhino records (reproduction 78's) > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Douglas Houston" <[email protected]> > > >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> > > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 7:13 AM > > >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Wurlitzer P-12 > > >> > > >> > > >> > Albert; > > >> > > > >> > Could you tell me which Wurlitzer box used the amplifier that had a > > > 45 > > >> > driving puish-pull 45's power amps....? The chassis was painted gold > > > (as > > >> > probably all Wurlitzers were). > > >> > > > >> > I was was amused at your description of "going through grooves like a > > >> > plow". When I was a kid, one of my friends' family had a Mills DoReMi > > > in > > >> > their dining room. Rather unconventional place for it, but that's where > > > it > > >> > was. Now, talk about a record plow! The player had a Webster-Racine > > >> > horseshoe magnetic pickup and the stylus pressure must have weighed in > > > at > > >> > pounds. Sure as shootin', I'd never have put any of my records on that > > >> > thing. Lord, what a shellac grinder that thing was! > > >> > > > >> > But it had a really neat amplifier. Push-Pull 2A3's. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >> [Original Message] > > >> >> From: Albert <[email protected]> > > >> >> To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> > > >> >> Date: 3/25/2008 10:32:45 PM > > >> >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Wurlitzer P-12 > > >> >> > > >> >> The P-12 is a great early Jukebox. The only thing you will need to do > > > is > > >> >> lighten the tone arm and install a modern cartridge. This will enable > > >> >> you > > >> >> play your 78s without going through the grooves like a plow. If it > > > has > > >> >> the > > >> >> original amplifier you will find it has a very smooth tone with great > > >> >> fidelity and volume. Subscribe to Always Jukin' There are hundreds of > > >> >> dealers and jukebox enthusiasts out there. It is my passion. I have > > > 13 > > >> >> pre > > >> >> war Wurlitzers and well as Seeburgs and Rockolas. My best source for > > >> >> Parts > > >> >> is "Musical fun for everyone" Bill Butterfield in Napa California. > > >> >> Al > > >> >> Menashe > > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> >> From: "Ken and Brenda Brekke" <[email protected]> > > >> >> To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <[email protected]> > > >> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 7:01 PM > > >> >> Subject: [Phono-L] Wurlitzer P-12 > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >I recently was able to purchase a 1934 Wurlitzer P-12 jukebox. Can > > >> >> >anyone > > >> >> > on this list refer me to where I can purchase any service manuals or > > >> >> > parts? > > >> >> > Thanks in advance, Ken B. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> >> > Phono-L mailing list > > >> >> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > -- > > >> >> > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > >> >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > >> >> > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/955 - Release Date: > > >> >> > 8/15/2007 > > >> >> > 4:55 PM > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> _______________________________________________ > > >> >> Phono-L mailing list > > >> >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > Phono-L mailing list > > >> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Phono-L mailing list > > >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Phono-L mailing list > > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
