And ruined our economy, and spent more than any president in history, and sat in inaction reading to schoolchildren while the towers were destroyed, and ruined our reputation around the world by fueling a war over oil, and who attacked Iraq when Osama BinLaden was in Afghanistan...the list goes on. We are much better off now. Just check the reaction from around the world when Obama won. And I don't like religion in bed with politics..that's a bad mix. And I know I am gonna get the flaming of the lifetime for this post!!!!! Happy Thanksgiving to all here and those overseas. Just because I don't believe in this president, his government and the war does not mean I don't support those troops overseas!
--- On Thu, 11/27/08, Steve Andersen <[email protected]> wrote: From: Steve Andersen <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Thanks Givings To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008, 10:31 AM I would never call someone who has kept our country safe for 8 years a dangerous crackpot! You would have a different attitude if you were a Kurd in Iraq prior to March 20, 2003. Phonograph content: http://www.theedisonshop.com -- My phonograph website. Happy Thanksgiving to all! On Nov 27, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Peter Fraser wrote: > ok, folks, enough jingoism - please. > > we're all grateful to the veterans and others who have put > themselves in harm's way on our behalf, but can we keep it separate > from the often ill-conceived (or worse) policies that created the > harm in the first place? > > as for me, i'm thankful and proud that we've democratically replaced > a dangerous crackpot and avoided the continuation of his foolhardy > policies, and now have an opportunity to restore the lost respect > and regain the lost trust the US once enjoyed on the world stage. > and through that we'll regain more safety than any number of troops > could ever secure. > > to get back on topic, while also giving an example of how some > things never change, now i'm going to pull out my copy of James > Gerard's record, "Loyalty," on the Nation's Forum label. he was the > US ambassador to Germany prior to the US entry to WW1. > > you can listen, too; just click here: > > http://tinyurl.com/5vuotg > > here's a transcript: > > "Loyalty" > > I know that it is hard for Americans to realize the magnitude of the > war in which we are involved. We have problems in this war no other > nations have. Fortunately, the great majority of American citizens > of German descent have, in this great crisis of our history, shown > themselves splendidly loyal to our flag. Everyone had a right to > sympathize with any warring nation. But now that we are in the war > there are only two sides, and the time has come when every citizen > must declare himself American -- or traitor! > > We must disappoint the Germans who have always believed that the > German-Americans here would risk their property, their children's > future, and their own neck, and take up arms for the Kaiser. The > Foreign Minister of Germany once said to me "your country does not > dare do anything against Germany, because we have in your country > 500,000 German reservists who will rise in arms against your > government if you dare to make a move against Germany." Well, I told > him that that might be so, but that we had 500,001 lamp posts in > this country, and that that was where the reservists would be > hanging the day after they tried to rise. And if there are any > German-Americans here who are so ungrateful for all the benefits > they have received that they are still for the Kaiser, there is only > one thing to do with them. And that is to hog-tie them, give them > back the wooden shoes and the rags they landed in, and ship them > back to the Fatherland. > > I have travelled this year over all the United States. Through the > Alleghenies, the White Mountains, and the Catskills, the Rockies and > the Bitterroot Mountains, the Cascades, the Coast Range, and the > Sierras. And in all these mountains, there is no animal that bites > and kicks and squeals and scratches, that would bite and squeal and > scratch equal to a fat German-American, if you commenced to tie him > up and told him that he was on his way back to the Kaiser. > > and now that i've got that out of my system, i'm going to go make a > couple of pumpkin pies. > > best to all of you, no matter what. > > -- peter > > On Nov 27, 2008, at 7:17 AM, Kat Hall wrote: > >> I live in Canada and my late father was a returned vet from WW11. >> I agree with you and wished that more people could understand about >> our men and women serving our countries and stand behind them >> instead of screaming for them to come home and let terror reign. >> Those people need to put away their rose colored glasses. >> >> Have a great Thanksgiving. Eat lots of turkey for me. >> >>> From the Desk of >> Kat Hall >> Executive Assistant to Ms. Smith (Publisher) >> Review Coordinator >> www.champagnebooks.com >> www.carnalpassions.com >> www.thewritersvineyard.com >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "buck Buchanan" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 9:27 PM >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: [Phono-L] Thanks Givings >> >>> I want to take this time to wish all of our fellow members a Happy >>> Thanks Givings! >>> While we sit in our safe homes, I want you to consider those that >>> help keep us safe. >>> That would be our young men and women who are serving in the >>> military. >>> Whether they are here in America or serving in a distance land we >>> should take a moment and give thanks and offer a prayer for them >>> and their families. >>> Those members who live in other nations you should also remember >>> your young men and women and offer a prayer for them as well. >>> Our young people offer the greatest gift to protect us and that is >>> their lives. >>> They have volunteered and placed themselves in harms way not to >>> become rich or to be on TV or to become famous. >>> No they do this because they love their country and their >>> countrymen. >>> With love so great that they are willing to forfeit their own >>> lives if it comes to that to protect us and our families. >>> They deserve more than we will ever be able to give to them, but >>> they ask for nothing. >>> All they want is to protect our homes and our families. >>> So please take a moment and give thanks for those who protect what >>> we take for granted our freedom. >>> Freedom is not free it is bought and paid for with the blood and >>> tears of our people. >>> So before you sit down to your supper tomorrow please remember them. >>> >>> Thank you >>> Wm Buchanan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From [email protected] Thu Nov 27 10:47:56 2008 From: [email protected] (Loran Hughes) Date: Thu Nov 27 10:48:35 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Thanks Givings In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]><16a2c91e23994f76b03669724981d...@kathallpc> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> OK, the political diatribes stop now. Can it, or I'll turn on moderation. Loran From [email protected] Thu Nov 27 10:59:57 2008 From: [email protected] (Daniel Melvin) Date: Thu Nov 27 11:00:15 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Thanks Givings In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]><16a2c91e23994f76b03669724981d...@kathallpc><[email protected]> <[email protected]> Message-ID: <a8a46504c2074c99ae504dca95d37...@danpc> Lets just try to enjoy Thanksgiving Day and leave the political arguments to other venues. We all love our country and we all support our troops. There are just differernt opinions as to what support is. None of this has anything to do with phonographs. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Andersen" <[email protected]> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Thanks Givings >I would never call someone who has kept our country safe for 8 years a >dangerous crackpot! You would have a different attitude if you were a Kurd >in Iraq prior to March 20, 2003. > Phonograph content: > http://www.theedisonshop.com -- My phonograph website. Happy > Thanksgiving to all! > > On Nov 27, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Peter Fraser wrote: > >> ok, folks, enough jingoism - please. >> >> we're all grateful to the veterans and others who have put themselves in >> harm's way on our behalf, but can we keep it separate from the often >> ill-conceived (or worse) policies that created the harm in the first >> place? >> >> as for me, i'm thankful and proud that we've democratically replaced a >> dangerous crackpot and avoided the continuation of his foolhardy >> policies, and now have an opportunity to restore the lost respect and >> regain the lost trust the US once enjoyed on the world stage. and >> through that we'll regain more safety than any number of troops could >> ever secure. >> >> to get back on topic, while also giving an example of how some things >> never change, now i'm going to pull out my copy of James Gerard's >> record, "Loyalty," on the Nation's Forum label. he was the US >> ambassador to Germany prior to the US entry to WW1. >> >> you can listen, too; just click here: >> >> http://tinyurl.com/5vuotg >> >> here's a transcript: >> >> "Loyalty" >> >> I know that it is hard for Americans to realize the magnitude of the war >> in which we are involved. We have problems in this war no other nations >> have. Fortunately, the great majority of American citizens of German >> descent have, in this great crisis of our history, shown themselves >> splendidly loyal to our flag. Everyone had a right to sympathize with >> any warring nation. But now that we are in the war there are only two >> sides, and the time has come when every citizen must declare himself >> American -- or traitor! >> >> We must disappoint the Germans who have always believed that the >> German-Americans here would risk their property, their children's >> future, and their own neck, and take up arms for the Kaiser. The Foreign >> Minister of Germany once said to me "your country does not dare do >> anything against Germany, because we have in your country 500,000 German >> reservists who will rise in arms against your government if you dare to >> make a move against Germany." Well, I told him that that might be so, >> but that we had 500,001 lamp posts in this country, and that that was >> where the reservists would be hanging the day after they tried to rise. >> And if there are any German-Americans here who are so ungrateful for all >> the benefits they have received that they are still for the Kaiser, >> there is only one thing to do with them. And that is to hog-tie them, >> give them back the wooden shoes and the rags they landed in, and ship >> them back to the Fatherland. >> >> I have travelled this year over all the United States. Through the >> Alleghenies, the White Mountains, and the Catskills, the Rockies and the >> Bitterroot Mountains, the Cascades, the Coast Range, and the Sierras. >> And in all these mountains, there is no animal that bites and kicks and >> squeals and scratches, that would bite and squeal and scratch equal to a >> fat German-American, if you commenced to tie him up and told him that he >> was on his way back to the Kaiser. >> >> and now that i've got that out of my system, i'm going to go make a >> couple of pumpkin pies. >> >> best to all of you, no matter what. >> >> -- peter >> >> On Nov 27, 2008, at 7:17 AM, Kat Hall wrote: >> >>> I live in Canada and my late father was a returned vet from WW11. I >>> agree with you and wished that more people could understand about our >>> men and women serving our countries and stand behind them instead of >>> screaming for them to come home and let terror reign. Those people >>> need to put away their rose colored glasses. >>> >>> Have a great Thanksgiving. Eat lots of turkey for me. >>> >>>> From the Desk of >>> Kat Hall >>> Executive Assistant to Ms. Smith (Publisher) >>> Review Coordinator >>> www.champagnebooks.com >>> www.carnalpassions.com >>> www.thewritersvineyard.com >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "buck Buchanan" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 9:27 PM >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Subject: [Phono-L] Thanks Givings >>> >>>> I want to take this time to wish all of our fellow members a Happy >>>> Thanks Givings! >>>> While we sit in our safe homes, I want you to consider those that help >>>> keep us safe. >>>> That would be our young men and women who are serving in the military. >>>> Whether they are here in America or serving in a distance land we >>>> should take a moment and give thanks and offer a prayer for them and >>>> their families. >>>> Those members who live in other nations you should also remember your >>>> young men and women and offer a prayer for them as well. >>>> Our young people offer the greatest gift to protect us and that is >>>> their lives. >>>> They have volunteered and placed themselves in harms way not to become >>>> rich or to be on TV or to become famous. >>>> No they do this because they love their country and their countrymen. >>>> With love so great that they are willing to forfeit their own lives if >>>> it comes to that to protect us and our families. >>>> They deserve more than we will ever be able to give to them, but they >>>> ask for nothing. >>>> All they want is to protect our homes and our families. >>>> So please take a moment and give thanks for those who protect what we >>>> take for granted our freedom. >>>> Freedom is not free it is bought and paid for with the blood and tears >>>> of our people. >>>> So before you sit down to your supper tomorrow please remember them. >>>> >>>> Thank you >>>> Wm Buchanan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
