Hi Robert, I checked Edison Disc Recordings by Ray Wile and the artist is Emmy Destinn. The catalog cut-out date is 11/15/22. Joan In a message dated 12/27/2008 11:51:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, majesticr [email protected] writes:
Hi Robert, Edison had refused with the DDs to put artist names on them at first. This is kind of odd actually since artist names had been used on cylinders for years. However, according to Ray Wile's info it was July 1915 when artist names began to first appear. Your record is obviously from before that based on your other observation. At first, these 82000 and 82500 discs were double sided and paired with another song. This was up until October 1913 when the machines and records truly went commercial. For a short time after that these were single sided (I think until Feb. 1914) when they started adding the Explanatory Talk on the other side. I don't know if it was all of them at the time but at first the Explanatory Talk didn't have a label imprinted - just grooves and a matrix number. I have several examples of these single sided discs and ones with the sides that have no label imprinted. Cheers, Glenn ________________________________ From: Robert Wright <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 6:23:45 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison 82525 question A question for the group: I just picked up the above listed DD, etched label. It has two unusual features prompting me to ask the group about it. One is that it has no artist info, just Soprano solo with orchestral accomp. The other feature is that it's utterly one-sided, smooth as glass on side two. Anyone have ANY idea what the story is on this record?? Thanks in advance, Robert _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From [email protected] Sat Dec 27 14:26:29 2008 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Sat Dec 27 14:26:51 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison 82525 question Message-ID: <[email protected]> But--something is very wrong here. Edison 82525 has got to be a wrong number. What has been described as talking and laughing on one side with a blank side on the other obviously has nothing to do with Edison 82525. A picture of the label would probably help. ---Art Heller **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From [email protected] Sat Dec 27 15:11:12 2008 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Sat Dec 27 15:16:43 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison 82525 question Message-ID: <[email protected]> It would also seem possible that the recording could have been made on a 4 minute cylinder then dubbed to disc at the factory, then pressed as a special. Did not Edison make some special pressings for private use? Sincerely. Rick A. Jorgensen GOLDEN ERA AUTOMOBILE ASSOCIATION http://www.geaaonline.org UNCLE JOSH'S PUN'KIN CENTRE STORIES http://www.montanaphonograph.com/unclejosh.html ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From [email protected] Sat Dec 27 16:13:48 2008 From: [email protected] (Glenn Longwell) Date: Sat Dec 27 16:14:22 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison 82525 question Message-ID: <[email protected]> I think there's some confusion here.? The original post said nothing about the content of the record.? That was a follow up post by someone with a different record. Glenn ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 5:26:29 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison 82525 question But--something is very wrong here. Edison 82525 has got to be? a wrong number.? What has been described as talking and laughing on one? side with a blank side on the other obviously has nothing to do with Edison? 82525. A picture of the label would probably help. ---Art Heller **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From [email protected] Sat Dec 27 21:56:40 2008 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Sat Dec 27 22:02:03 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Phono-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 340 Message-ID: <[email protected]> First cylinder of this record as far as I know was on an AICC cylinder, #84.036. Title not quite the same, "La Gioconda-Suicidio" by Gabbi. Probably not related but will throw it out for comment. Cylinder is wonderful if you like Gabbi. Probably done by many others but this may be the earliest survivor. Comments? Larry **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From [email protected] Sat Dec 27 22:44:52 2008 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Sat Dec 27 22:45:08 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison 82525 question Message-ID: <[email protected]> In a message dated 12/27/08 5:16:50 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I think there's some confusion here. The original post said nothing about the content of the record. That was a follow up post by someone with a different record. Glenn You are absolutely right, Glenn. However, the original post described a soprano solo on one side and a blank second side under the Edison #82525. There should have been an explanatory message on the second side, rather than being blank. The followup post described the "dealer recorded" Edison disc which produced it's own questions. --Art Heller **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From [email protected] Sat Dec 27 23:04:35 2008 From: [email protected] (Robert Wright) Date: Sat Dec 27 23:05:56 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison 82525 question References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> That's right, Glenn, there is some confusion, exactly as you point out. First of all, thanks so much to everyone for the immediate responses about this disc I've found. It is, definitively as far as I'm concerned, the Emmy Destinn record Ray Wile says it is, from an early pressing run -- it's missing the 3 indentations, the back side is smooth as glass (no label area, no nothin'), and the title is indeed Suicido from Gioconda, with no artist info listed. It's in beautiful shape except that it's obviously been played with a chipped stylus, as it's a bit noisy, and there is a light coat of rust/brown dust in the grooves (we've all seen that before). As it's the first DD I've found of that type, I'm still pretty excited about it, and thanks to you all, I know exactly what I have now. Regarding Zono's one-sided DD with typewritten label, I'm pretty sure it's a Jobbers' record. I was first put into contact with Ron Dethlefson (and Jack Palmer) by Tim Gracyk back in '94 or so when I found one of these discs in Tomball, TX while junking. Mine had no label (or maybe it had come off), but did have a label area that looked like brown paper sack material on both sides. It was one-sided and had a handwritten 63 on the playable side's label area. I sent a recording of it along with its description to Tim, who then forwarded it to Ron and Jack, and Ron sent me a post card detailing the record I'd found: a 1923 Harger & Blisch Summer Sales Contest record. The 5 jobbers who had won the contest got to go to Edison's studio to record their voices (spewing a bunch of pro-Edison propaganda in decidedly amateur manner) as the prize, which must've been a pretty big deal at the time. One of the jobbers had written a delightfully awful song, and Edison got Vernon Dalhart to record it at the end of the record with piano accompaniment (thus Tim's fwd to Jack Palmer). That record is, in fact, exactly the reason I found my way onto this very email list. Thanks again, everyone. This list truly is a resource to be cherished. Safe and happy new year to you all! Best, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Longwell" <[email protected]> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison 82525 question I think there's some confusion here. The original post said nothing about the content of the record. That was a follow up post by someone with a different record. Glenn
