In a message dated 1/1/2009 4:26:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes:
Yes I saw the patent plate but could not make out the number even after enlarging the photo. There were not enough pixels in the original shot. --------------- Greetings likewise. The best I could do for that Opera on eBay () was Serial No 3574 but the first digit is 'rough.' (ebay #170290126711) Allen _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) From [email protected] Thu Jan 1 17:07:41 2009 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Thu Jan 1 17:08:02 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Brunswick Panatrope Value? Rarity? Interest? Message-ID: <[email protected]> hi all i have the earlier brunswick console with the slide out battery radio its neat but not worth a lot of money best to all rob In a message dated 1/1/2009 2:31:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Is it actually a Panatrope or Brunswick acoustic phonograph incorporating a battery powered Radiola? You said it had a horn speaker. My early Panatrope has a dynamic cone loudspeaker. Does it have an electronic pickup or just an acoustic reproducer, tone arm & horn through which the radio driver plays? Is it labelled "Panatrope?" Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances [email protected] > [Original Message] > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 01-Jan-2009 6:00:23 AM > Subject: [Phono-L] Brunswick Panatrope Value? Rarity? Interest? > > Anyone care to comment on how rare a Brunswick Panatrope is? Is it a > desirable machine since it is an early all electronic phonograph? It is not > currently working and is missing the three amplifier stage tubes though the turntable > functions perfectly. A non-phonograph collector friend wants to put it up for > sale but does not know the value. Being an Edison only collector I wasn't > interested and could not help him. It is in a cabinet comparable to my Edison > C2 in quality and looks fairly clean. It is definitely earlier than the C2 > with a horn speaker and tubes like a UX199. > > Any comments will be appreciated. > > Al > > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making > headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) From [email protected] Thu Jan 1 17:37:16 2009 From: [email protected] (Chris Kocsis) Date: Thu Jan 1 17:37:27 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Edison Opera eBay serial number...3574? In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> I'm curious why people are worrying about the serial number -- didn't the group get the message I sent on the 30th at 10:55 having identified the photos as from the following web site? http://www.worldofgramophones.com/edison_opera_phonograph.html The seller never had it at all..... Chris [email protected] wrote: > > In a message dated 1/1/2009 4:26:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > Yes I saw the patent plate but could not make out the number even after > enlarging the photo. There were not enough pixels in the original shot. > > > --------------- > Greetings likewise. > > The best I could do for that Opera on eBay () was Serial No 3574 but the > first digit is 'rough.' (ebay #170290126711) > > Allen > _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) > > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making > headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From [email protected] Thu Jan 1 18:06:18 2009 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Thu Jan 1 18:06:34 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Edison Opera eBay serial number...3574? Message-ID: <[email protected]> Hi Chris, I'm having a problem with the site you have suggested. I agree that it looks like the same machine, with photos taken in the same way. However, the machine on the photograph site has a light blue amberol cylinder on it and the photograph on this "sellers" site has a dark blue cylinder on it. That's one thing I can't figure out. Also, there are more pictures on the "sellers" site than there are on the site you have mentioned. Have you noticed that? ---Art Heller **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) From [email protected] Thu Jan 1 18:13:51 2009 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Thu Jan 1 18:14:09 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Edison Opera eBay serial number...3574? Message-ID: <[email protected]> Oops--I take it back. The color depends purely on the light. The serial numbers are exactly the same. The pictures have obviously been lifted. However--there is an extra picture of Edison's signature that is not present on the site you have mentioned. --Art Heller **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) From [email protected] Thu Jan 1 18:28:51 2009 From: [email protected] (Rich) Date: Thu Jan 1 18:29:03 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Edison Opera eBay serial number...3574? In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Sometimes the real details just interfere in the theorizing. I am much more interested in just exactly what this seller really was up to. I don't think eBay wants people running auctions as social experiments, part of their PhD research, or jokes. Chris Kocsis wrote: > I'm curious why people are worrying about the serial number -- didn't > the group get the message I sent on the 30th at 10:55 having identified > the photos as from the following web site? > > http://www.worldofgramophones.com/edison_opera_phonograph.html > > The seller never had it at all..... > > Chris > From [email protected] Thu Jan 1 19:21:36 2009 From: [email protected] (Chris Kocsis) Date: Thu Jan 1 19:21:48 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Edison Opera eBay serial number...3574? In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Yeah, that's true! I wonder if searching google images under "edison opera" might find that picture with the blue cylinder? We might never know if this was an aborted scam or a "research." If it was the latter, I guess I over-reacted :-) Chris [email protected] wrote: > Hi Chris, > I'm having a problem with the site you have suggested. I agree that it > looks like the same machine, with photos taken in the same way. However, > the > machine on the photograph site has a light blue amberol cylinder on it and > the > photograph on this "sellers" site has a dark blue cylinder on it. That's > one > thing I can't figure out. Also, there are more pictures on the "sellers" > site than there are on the site you have mentioned. > Have you noticed that? > ---Art Heller > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making > headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From [email protected] Thu Jan 1 19:25:33 2009 From: [email protected] (Chris Kocsis) Date: Thu Jan 1 19:25:49 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Edison Opera eBay serial number...3574? In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Oops ditto, I take my reply back about the blue. Except to add, as Rich said, that this is an inappropriate way to conduct research. Chris [email protected] wrote: > Oops--I take it back. The color depends purely on the light. The serial > numbers are exactly the same. The pictures have obviously been lifted. > However--there is an extra picture of Edison's signature that is not present > on the > site you have mentioned. > --Art Heller > > > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making > headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From [email protected] Thu Jan 1 21:29:45 2009 From: [email protected] (harvey kravitz) Date: Thu Jan 1 21:29:57 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor I Questions - Assistance Appreciated In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Hi Jim, I never buy on line with a credit card. I don't phone it in either. I mail payment the old fashioned way. I get free cashier's checks from Bank of America. They are safe, secure, and traceable. I'm afraid some hacker will get into private information. Because of identity theft, I am very cautious. I don't even use ATMs. I guess that I am living in 1909 instead of 2009. I hope this answers you question. Happy New Year, Harvey --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Jim Nichol <[email protected]> wrote: From: Jim Nichol <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor I Questions - Assistance Appreciated To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 12:28 PM Harvey, just curious why you don't trust Paypal. That seems to be the one thing that eBay hasn't managed to screw up. There are very few things on the Internet that I trust more than Paypal. I've even used Paypal to buy something from a vendor that I wouldn't trust to give them my credit card number. A vendor can steal your credit card number, and charge more stuff to it or sell it to others. But they cannot make a fraudulent charge to Paypal. As a matter of fact, that is the entire reason for Paypal's creation. Jim On Jan 1, 2009, at 3:10 PM, harvey kravitz wrote: > Happy New Year Steve. The reason I don't buy from ebay is because I was kicked off since Oct 2007. There were 2 newbie sellers that didn't say pay pal only in their auctions. I give them my address and ask for theirs. I get no response. Then a few days later, I get an email asking about payment. I again ask for their address so I can send payment. Then a day later, I get a non-paid strike. I can't leave feedback and I get "canned" emails saying nothing can be done, and have a good day, yada, yada, yada. The last straw was when I got my last strike even though I had the machine(a nice Victrola 50 s/n 9XX). Here, this seller sells me the machine and gets a refund from ebay. I pay by certified cashier's checks. I do not trust pay pal. I have over 1600 pos. feedbacks. Now that ebay is pay pal only, I do without. I have a group of sellers that I know and are fellow collectors who I buy from with out the BS with ebay. By the way Steve, I have bought from you > in the past. Have a great New year, Harvey Kravitz, Phonofreak56. > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From [email protected] Fri Jan 2 00:49:47 2009 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Fri Jan 2 00:50:01 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Brunswick Panatrope part 3... Message-ID: <[email protected]> The machine is labeled a Model P-14 on a gold disk with the serial number below it as #153695. On the back side is another screwed on plate stating the machine is a Brunswick Panatrope Model AZ-958. At the bottom of this second plate is the license information from RCA. The tube sockets are labeled UX216B, UX199, UX210. There is no sign of a battery radio or anywhere one would go. There is a 110VAC male plug on the back for power to the unit. The pickup head is the horseshoe magnet type. The horn is a large circular mass with the small driver feeding it from a vertical position then the horn goes in a full circle until it turns outward. The horn is very much like a Sousaphone shape. Where it is cracked the color under the paint makes it look like plaster which may have confused me. One thing is certain, the horn is some type of composition material that allows for a very odd free form structure. It is not any type of dynamic speaker with a cone. The cabinet woodworking is very classy and this was not a cheap phonograph. There are 4 vertical record drawers, 2 on each side of the horn opening. I can send you the same email that was sent to me if that will help. Thanks again to everyone for the comments and help. Al **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) From [email protected] Fri Jan 2 01:16:23 2009 From: [email protected] (DanKj) Date: Fri Jan 2 02:16:44 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Brunswick Panatrope part 3... References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <442f10335cac4a7dbd2967d13b169...@new> Here's a schematic for the P-14: http://www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel/518/M0039518.pdf ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 3:49 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Brunswick Panatrope part 3... > The machine is labeled a Model P-14 on a gold disk with the serial number > below it as #153695. On the back side is another screwed on plate stating the > machine is a Brunswick Panatrope Model AZ-958. At the bottom of this second > plate is the license information from RCA. > > The tube sockets are labeled UX216B, UX199, UX210. > > There is no sign of a battery radio or anywhere one would go. > > There is a 110VAC male plug on the back for power to the unit. > > The pickup head is the horseshoe magnet type. > > The horn is a large circular mass with the small driver feeding it from a > vertical position then the horn goes in a full circle until it turns outward. > The horn is very much like a Sousaphone shape. Where it is cracked the color > under the paint makes it look like plaster which may have confused me. One > thing > is certain, the horn is some type of composition material that allows for a > very odd free form structure. It is not any type of dynamic speaker with a > cone. > > The cabinet woodworking is very classy and this was not a cheap phonograph. > There are 4 vertical record drawers, 2 on each side of the horn opening. > > I can send you the same email that was sent to me if that will help. > > Thanks again to everyone for the comments and help. > > Al > > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making > headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
