What, if anything, can be done to stop the awful crapophone listings from China on eBay. For years these things were offered for pennies but with $400 shipping costs. Looks like that didn't fly, so now the shipping is free and $400 "Buy It Now" is being used. It wouldn't be quite so bad if they were sold as reproductions, but the auctions imply that they are real antiques (from the Ming Dynasty perhaps!). Are there really that many suckers out there that buy this junk?
Ray From [email protected] Tue Jan 27 15:11:00 2009 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Tue Jan 27 15:11:18 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Crapophone sales on eBay Message-ID: <[email protected]> Ray, What's amazing is that I have seem them sell at auction for big money! The last one sold for over $800.00 and I even informed the auction company and the buyer that this was total junk from China and they did not pay any attention to me. As P.T. Barnum once put it...... Well you all know. Have a great week. Brantley Williston, S.C. From [email protected] Tue Jan 27 15:35:45 2009 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Tue Jan 27 15:36:58 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay feed back being held as hostage by sellers!!! Message-ID: <[email protected]> HI WALT AND ALL YOU should have come to our florida show it was a good show but sure could have used more sellers and buyers zono In a message dated 1/23/2009 6:38:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: This is why I love going to shows instead of online venues: meeting people, digging through junk, shaking hands, talking, getting to know people, etc... If you leave feedback, do so honestly. If he sent it in a timely fashion and it was what you expected, then nailing him with low DSR ratings is dishonest. I, too, object to the notion of demanding feedback and have never asked for someone to leave it for me in 10 years and over 5,000 sales but that has never been cause for me to act in a retaliatory manner (tempted though I was a few times). Thankfully I have always found that I am in fact a much bigger man than that. I just dump the emotional stigma of having been made to feel extorted and I always leave the feedback I had intended anyway. I treat them, so much as I am able, in the kind and generous way that I would prefer to be treated. This is always the correct course because it satisfies my conscience in an objective manner and is far more profitable to me and others. Just because people are mean, unpleasant, pushy, rude, etc. is never a reason for me to emulate their behavior. If some mean guy sends me some phonograph parts that I bought from him and they show up in a timely fashion and in the condition I was anticipating, that's a positive rating with across the board 4.0 DSR ratings, even if he plays the feedback hostage-extortion game. If they had a check box to rate personalities there might be an honest reason to leave a 1.0, but otherwise, I've got genuinely better things to do. It is not the pushy hustle-bustle people whose lack of business and interpersonal skills are so weak that they cannot say thank you without being thanked first that bug me: people like that have always been around and they are easy to work with really. It is far worse and more damaging when someone willfully misrepresents or encourages another to knowingly misrepresent products and services as a way of damaging that person simply to satisfy an emotional urge. (BTW: Sgt Bill, I found an original instruction sheet for the VV 2-65 that you need so you don't have to make do with the VV 2-55 sheet I was going to send. I hope to get the copies tomorrow. They will be in the mail probably Monday.) - Walt Rich wrote: > You can seriously hurt a seller by marking all of the star ratings as > a 1. If they do not have many sales it will get them suspended. > > buck Buchanan wrote: >> I just received this email from a seller. >> He is holding my feed back as hostage until I leave him good feed back. >> His ebay ID is firebirdologist >> >> This was his message to me: >> >> Hi! >> >> It's on the way today! Thank you again for your purchase. I will >> happily post positive feedback for this transaction if I receive the >> same. >> >> All the best, >> >> Randy >> >> This will be my reply: >> >> Randy, >> Many people that I speak with are starting to feel as if feed back >> from the seller is being withheld as a hostage. Because of this I am >> joining a growing group that only leaves feed back for sellers that >> first leaves it for the buyer. >> My part is over, if you fail to leave me feedback then so be it. >> You may also thank your fellow sellers that practice the same method >> that you are trying on me now. Thank you Bill >> >> Please stand with me on this issue, when you get a seller that fails >> to send feed back for you. Please send him a similar message and do >> what you would like with his feed back. >> >> Thank you Bill >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.12/1911 - Release Date: 1/23/2009 7:28 AM > > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) From [email protected] Tue Jan 27 15:37:50 2009 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Tue Jan 27 15:38:37 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine Message-ID: <[email protected]> you are so right george just dont do that in sarasota they rape us at the polisher lol rob In a message dated 1/24/2009 2:31:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I take mine to a professional refurbisher of brass band instruments.? In the summers, he's often busy with school instruments, but during the fall and winter is a better time.? I've spent 4-5 hours working on the bell of a 42" horn, only to take a similar horn to the refurbisher and have it look much better for $80.00.? For my money/time, there's no question of which is the better route.? Check your yellow pages, and good luck! George P. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:40 am Subject: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine Hi, I have several original brass bell horns that are in need of being brought back to life. The brass is dull. What do you experts recommend in getting a nice bright shine back? Thanks much. Brantley _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) From [email protected] Tue Jan 27 16:50:45 2009 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Tue Jan 27 16:51:43 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Horn Needed Message-ID: <[email protected]> Hi phonolovers. I am in need of an early original 17" Victor petal horn, or original19 1/2 inch brass bell horn for a Victor I. If you have one for sale, please let me know. Thanks. Brantley Williston, S.C. From [email protected] Tue Jan 27 19:57:41 2009 From: [email protected] (wayne holznagel) Date: Tue Jan 27 19:57:53 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] FREE Phongraph Parts Catalog Price List Message-ID: <[email protected]> Hello Folks, I have been delaying a new project until just the right thing came along.? It did today. For FREE - yes, to all the new list members it is FREE - a scanned copy of an Everybody's Talking Machine Co., Inc New Revised Price List.? It is 55 pages in length.? Mostly it is nothing but items and prices . . . no pictures.? But the really good part is the description it gives for Honest Quaker Main Springs.? Ever wonder what generic mainspring would work on your machine?? It is esp good for those off brands.? It is also a wonderful suppliment to the Artophone Catalog I gave away a few years ago. Example of what the catalog lists: No 63? 1 3/16" x .028 x 18 feet, HONEST QUAKER for Windsor, Harponola, Pathe XII, XVII, Actuelles and Period types, STradivaria, STrand, Cheney, Large Type Starr, Scoville, Brooks Automatic, Okeh, Best-tone, Independent, Cathedral, Claxtonala, , etc, pear shaped holes . . . . . . .85 Now the fine print of this offer, I only will make one run of the cds.? One run.? I may save one for myself to use in the future but then again . . .? I tend to lose things so please do not count on this being available again.? I will scan the catalog to file, transfer the file to CD, and mail it to you free of charge.? Note, free of charge shipping is free to the continental US.? Howver, usually I can ship CDs to other countries for a few penneys more so can normally absorb the cost here to.? Howver, if the international shipping is high I may ask you to reimburse me for the shipping. Some people have wanted to pay me in the past.? Not necesary.? However, if you want you can give a donation to your local child protection services support organization (this is in most counties) in the name of Ethanual Holznagel.? It's up to you.? In my county this non profit group gives a gift card to each foster child of $25.? These children do not always have a family to share the holiday with.? They are not, at least in my state, eligable for the Salvation Army Angel Trees and other holiday fund raisers.? Many of these kids simply do without for birthdays and holidays.? The group may also help to fund PRIDE classes in your area.? PRIDE classes are in depth training classes?required in?most states?for prospective foster/adopt parents.? Again, this is totally up to you.? I plan to start scanning the catalog on Weds morning.? If my pc cooperates I should be done on Friday.? I hope to start shipping the CDs no later than early next week.? If you are interested please respond OFF LIST . . . to [email protected] .? I will acknowledge your email that you are added to the list.? I plan? to make about a dozen CDs so please send a note quickly if you are interested. Happy Collecting. <:)> Wayne H ? My website is at http://www.phonomantiques.com/ From [email protected] Wed Jan 28 12:26:15 2009 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Wed Jan 28 12:31:44 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Phono-L Digest, Vol 6, Issue 22 In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> I think some of the purchases you see are phony setups to pull others in. You see that on everyday ebay items that go higher than they are worth. There are too many games on ebay..............Have purchased some things and got a deal or fair price, but many you just shake your head at! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 3:00 pm Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 6, Issue 22 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Phono-L digest..." If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Re: Crapophone sales on eBay ([email protected]) 2. Re: Ebay feed back being held as hostage by sellers!!! ([email protected]) 3. Re: Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine ([email protected]) 4. Victor Horn Needed ([email protected]) 5. FREE Phongraph Parts Catalog Price List (wayne holznagel) --------------- ------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:11:00 EST From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Crapophone sales on eBay To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Ray, What's amazing is that I have seem them sell at auction for big money! The last one sold for over $800.00 and I even informed the auction company and the buyer that this was total junk from China and they did not pay any attention to me. As P.T. Barnum once put it...... Well you all know. Have a great week. Brantley Williston, S.C. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:35:45 EST From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay feed back being held as hostage by sellers!!! To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" HI WALT AND ALL YOU should have come to our florida show it was a good show but sure could have used more sellers and buyers zono In a message dated 1/23/2009 6:38:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: This is why I love going to shows instead of online venues: meeting people, digging through junk, shaking hands, talking, getting to know people, etc... If you leave feedback, do so honestly. If he sent it in a timely fashion and20it was what you expected, then nailing him with low DSR ratings is dishonest. I, too, object to the notion of demanding feedback and have never asked for someone to leave it for me in 10 years and over 5,000 sales but that has never been cause for me to act in a retaliatory manner (tempted though I was a few times). Thankfully I have always found that I am in fact a much bigger man than that. I just dump the emotional stigma of having been made to feel extorted and I always leave the feedback I had intended anyway. I treat them, so much as I am able, in the kind and generous way that I would prefer to be treated. This is always the correct course because it satisfies my conscience in an objective manner and is far more profitable to me and others. Just because people are mean, unpleasant, pushy, rude, etc. is never a reason for me to emulate their behavior. If some mean guy sends me some phonograph parts that I bought from him and they show up in a timely fashion and in the condition I was anticipating, that's a positive rating with across the board 4.0 DSR ratings, even if he plays the feedback hostage-extortion game. If they had a check box to rate personalities there might be an honest reason to leave a 1.0, but otherwise, I've got genuinely better things to do. It is not the pushy hustle-bustle people whose lack of business and interpersonal skills are so weak that they cannot say thank you without being thanked first that bug me: people like that have always been around and they are easy to work with really. It is far worse and more damaging when someone willfully misrepresents or encourages another to knowingly misrepresent products and services as a way of damaging that person simply to satisfy an emotional urge. (BTW: Sgt Bill, I found an original instruction sheet for the VV 2-65 that you need so you don't have to make do with the VV 2-55 sheet I was going to send. I hope to get the copies tomorrow. They will be in the mail probably Monday.) - Walt Rich wrote: > You can seriously hurt a seller by marking all of the star ratings as > a 1. If they do not have many sales it will get them suspended. > > buck Buchanan wrote: >> I just received this email from a seller. >> He is holding my feed back as hostage until I leave him good feed back. >> His ebay ID is firebirdologist >> >> This was his message to me: >> >> Hi! >> >> It's on the way today! Thank you again for your purchase. I will >> happily post positive feedback for this transaction if I receive the >> same. >> >> All the best, >> >> Randy >> >> This will be my reply: >> >> Randy, >> Many people that I speak with are starting to feel as if feed back >> from the seller is being withheld as a hostage.=2 0Because of this I am >> joining a growing group that only leaves feed back for sellers that >> first leaves it for the buyer. >> My part is over, if you fail to leave me feedback then so be it. >> You may also thank your fellow sellers that practice the same method >> that you are trying on me now. Thank you Bill >> >> Please stand with me on this issue, when you get a seller that fails >> to send feed back for you. Please send him a similar message and do >> what you would like with his feed back. >> >> Thank you Bill >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.12/1911 - Release Date: 1/23/2009 7:28 AM > > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir= http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:37:50 EST From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" you are so right george just dont do that in sarasota they rape us at the polisher lol rob In a message dated 1/24/2009 2:31:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I take mine to a professional refurbisher of brass band instruments.? In the summers, he's often busy with school instruments, but during the fall and winter is a better time.? I've spent 4-5 hours working on the bell of a 42" horn, only to take a similar horn to the refurbisher and have it look much better for $80.00.? For my money/time, there's no question of which is the better route.? Check your yellow pages, and good luck! George P. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:40 am Subject: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine Hi, I have several original brass bell horns that are in need of being brought back to life. The brass is dull. What do you experts recommend in getting a nice bright shine back? Thanks much. Brantley _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.ol dcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir= http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:50:45 EST From: [email protected] Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Horn Needed To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi phonolovers. I am in need of an early original 17" Victor petal horn, or original19 1/2 inch brass bell horn for a Victor I. If you have one for sale, please let me know. Thanks. Brantley Williston, S.C. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:57:41 -0800 (PST) From: wayne holznagel <[email protected]> Subject: [Phono-L] FREE Phongraph Parts Catalog Price List To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello Folks, I have been delaying a new project until just the right thing came along.? It did today. For FREE - yes, to all the new list members it is FREE - a scanned copy of an Everybody's Talking Machine Co., Inc New Revised Price List.? It is 55 pages in length.? Mostly it is nothing but items and prices . . . no pictures.? But the really good part is the description it gives for Honest Quaker Main Springs.? Ever wonder what generic mainspring would work on your machine?? It is esp good for those off brands.? It is also a wonderful suppliment to the Artophone Catalog I gave away a few years ago. Example of what the catalog lists: No 63? 1 3/16" x .028 x 18 feet, HONEST QUAKER for Windsor, Harponola, Pathe XII, XVII, Actuelles and Period types, STradivaria, STrand, Cheney, Large Type Starr, Scoville, Brooks Automatic, Okeh, Best-tone, Independent, Cathedral, Claxtonala, , etc, pear shaped holes . . . . . . .85 Now the fine print of this offer, I only will make one run of the cds.? One run.? I may save one for myself to use in the future but then again . . .? I tend to lose things so please do not count on this being available again.? I will scan the catalog to file, transfer the file to CD, and mail it to you free of charge.? Note, free of charge shipping is free to the continental US.? Howver, usually I can ship CDs to other countries for a few penneys more so can normally absorb the cost here to.? Howver, if the international shipping is high I may ask you to reimburse me for the shipping. Some people have wanted to pay me in the past.? Not necesary.? However, if you want y ou can give a donation to your local child protection services support organization (this is in most counties) in the name of Ethanual Holznagel.? It's up to you.? In my county this non profit group gives a gift card to each foster child of $25.? These children do not always have a family to share the holiday with.? They are not, at least in my state, eligable for the Salvation Army Angel Trees and other holiday fund raisers.? Many of these kids simply do without for birthdays and holidays.? The group may also help to fund PRIDE classes in your area.? PRIDE classes are in depth training classes?required in?most states?for prospective foster/adopt parents.? Again, this is totally up to you.? I plan to start scanning the catalog on Weds morning.? If my pc cooperates I should be done on Friday.? I hope to start shipping the CDs no later than early next week.? If you are interested please respond OFF LIST . . . to [email protected] .? I will acknowledge your email that you are added to the list.? I plan? to make about a dozen CDs so please send a note quickly if you are interested. Happy Collecting. <:)> Wayne H ? My website is at http://www.phonomantiques.com/ ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org End of Phono-L Digest, V ol 6, Issue 22 **************************************
