Hi Group, I too, have noticed a down turn on the price of phonographs in the past few years. They are getting cheaper. I have seen many good deals with fellow collectors,? Ruby Lane, Craigslist and the local paper. In these hard economic times, this is an excellent time to buy. I would caution selling, though. My basement is full of machines(common ones) ready to sell. I have put a lot of time restoring them and I will not give them away. The economy will get better. This is a buyer's market for now.? Harvey P. Kravitz.
--- On Fri, 2/20/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phonographs and the economy To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 10:30 AM Ray; I can share my personal perspective on this. With all of the talk of doom and gloom, I had vowed to be prudent and to hold onto my money and not to buy any phonographs at this time. Well, of course I was offered a phonograph that I had been wanting for a while. The seller was a very knowledgeable collector. The machine was what I would term a very scarce variation of a somewhat scarce model (how's that for being vague), and I had only seen one other offered before in 30 years of collecting. The price was twice what the standard model is currently selling for, but I bought it. It was, however, half the price of the only other example that I have seen, a few years ago at Union. My feeling is that all levels of the hobby have been effected, with the very rare items much less effected than the common items. I believe that even with one-of-a-kind instruments, that buyers are expecting to pay less. With common items, buyers are tending to sit on the sidelines unless the price is absolutely irresistible. On FridayFebruary 20, 2009, at 8:36 AM, Raymond Wilenzick wrote: > A friend asked me if this is a good time to sell his phonographs, or should he wait for better times? So, how has this economic disaster we are in affected our hobby? Common machines are selling for less than they did 20 years ago. Better ones are holding some value, but even they are down from a few years ago. Are the truly rare phonos, that usually trade privately between collectors, still selling to collectors with deep pockets? Is the hobby declining in interest from new collectors? Are phonos selling at the shows? Any comments along these lines would be interesting to hear. > > Ray > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From [email protected] Fri Feb 20 16:03:50 2009 From: [email protected] (William Buchanan) Date: Fri Feb 20 16:10:36 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Phonographs and the economy In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Tim, Good observations, I am new to this hobby (less than 8 months now) and since I have joined I have seen several others gain interest as well. I don't think the hobby is dying but a lot of the older hobbyist perhaps are not as active this could be because of the age of some of the people that you are used to seeing. I do not have the funds available to purchase many of the items that people are talking about but that I hope this is only a temporary set back while I am getting my disability resolved with the VA and the Federal Government. Once that has been secured than I will be able to purchase some of the wonderful machines that are out there. I used to be involved in Model Railroads many years back. I used to hear the same from many of the older hobbyist there as well. Well it's been about fifteen years and Lionel is still with us and they are making engines that cost over one thousand dollars just for the engine and tender. That is not a dying hobby. Nor is this, I have spoken to hobbyist here in the states, UK and other countries. It seems that the hobby is alive and well. Once the economy turns around and people are not fearful of losing their jobs I believe that we will see an increase in the cost of the players. Lets face it nobody is making these anymore. Currently because of my situation I am trying to find old players to salvage and bring them back to life. I am doing this for two reasons, one is therapy (because of my injuries) the other is because I can't afford a nice show room piece that is working.? This gives me a nice machine that I not only can look at and enjoy but also the feeling of accomplishing something by bringing something back. The hobby may be a little slow right now but it is far from being dead. Bill Buchanan Army Vet --- On Fri, 2/20/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phonographs and the economy To: [email protected] Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 12:52 PM >From my experience --- the interest in the hobby is not declining -- in fact new people are coming along every day -- it's just that the market has slumped badly. When the market slumps everything becomes "relative." It's not the end, it's just an adjusted present. It's done this before. There were the late 80s, the mid 90s, briefly in 2001. Within the sphere of the "usual suspects," that is the Wayne Show, Danbury, Union, eBay, prices are likely to be depressed for several years. Will it all wither and die ? -- no. It never does. People have been predicting the death of the hobby for years, as crackpots have been predicting the end of the world. Neither is likely to occur any time soon. Tim Fabrizio phonophan PO Box 747 Henrietta, NY 14467 TEL 585 582 1586 FAX 585 582 2624 Web site: www.phonophan.com **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From [email protected] Fri Feb 20 16:58:01 2009 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Fri Feb 20 17:08:02 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Clock - Advertising Message-ID: <000601c993bf$73518a10$6702a...@jilljoe> OK, experts, please comment on this clock, ebay item number 170303851254. I know you have already seen it, so, is it real or fake? Thanks, Joe From [email protected] Fri Feb 20 17:31:30 2009 From: [email protected] (john robles) Date: Fri Feb 20 17:31:35 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Clock - Advertising In-Reply-To: <000601c993bf$73518a10$6702a...@jilljoe> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Fake. It's been on ebay before. --- On Fri, 2/20/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Clock - Advertising > To: [email protected] > Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 4:58 PM > OK, experts, please comment on this clock, ebay item number > 170303851254. I know you have already seen it, so, is it > real or fake? Thanks, Joe > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From [email protected] Fri Feb 20 17:46:00 2009 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Fri Feb 20 17:51:15 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Clock - Advertising Message-ID: <[email protected]> In a message dated 2/20/2009 8:32:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Fake. It's been on ebay before. -------------- agreed - very suspect and too 'pristine'. Even the explanation for the item being a Private Auction sounds hokey. Allen **************Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) From [email protected] Sat Feb 21 12:07:10 2009 From: [email protected] (wayne) Date: Sat Feb 21 12:07:04 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor clock Message-ID: <2008f9a517b64aa185a7879366608...@waynepc> Is not the same seller that was selling the same clock,BUT was Columbia instead???. From [email protected] Sat Feb 21 12:15:05 2009 From: [email protected] (Loran Hughes) Date: Sat Feb 21 12:15:08 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Clock - Advertising In-Reply-To: <000601c993bf$73518a10$6702a...@jilljoe> References: <000601c993bf$73518a10$6702a...@jilljoe> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Ick. In addition to the nonsense on the clock face, the glass in front of the pendulum looks like it has new decals. It's currently bid up to $1276 (reserve not met) - hope the winner knows he/she is getting a $350 clock. Loran On Feb 20, 2009, at 4:58 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > OK, experts, please comment on this clock, ebay item number > 170303851254. I know you have already seen it, so, is it real or > fake? Thanks, Joe From [email protected] Sat Feb 21 13:14:33 2009 From: [email protected] (Rich) Date: Sat Feb 21 13:14:39 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Clock - Advertising In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <000601c993bf$73518a10$6702a...@jilljoe> <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> There are some of these that are genuine, damn few though. The clock looks to be old and in good condition. The fakes are made by over printing the old dial with the advertising artwork. The way to spot them is to see if the ink is on top of the dirt or underneath it. This is impossible from a digital picture. Loran Hughes wrote: > Ick. In addition to the nonsense on the clock face, the glass in front > of the pendulum looks like it has new decals. It's currently bid up to > $1276 (reserve not met) - hope the winner knows he/she is getting a $350 > clock. > > Loran > > On Feb 20, 2009, at 4:58 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> OK, experts, please comment on this clock, ebay item number >> 170303851254. I know you have already seen it, so, is it real or fake? >> Thanks, Joe > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From [email protected] Sat Feb 21 13:40:44 2009 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Sat Feb 21 13:45:55 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor clock Message-ID: <[email protected]> This one appears fake as the movement picture shows a sprocket wheel in the center which would run a 31 day calendar hand. The face does not have a date scale. **************Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) From [email protected] Sat Feb 21 12:33:03 2009 From: [email protected] (Robin Rolfs) Date: Sat Feb 21 14:56:33 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Advertising Clock Message-ID: <abca65dd8bf94333ad3845ab95103...@owner094cc0223> Greetings Clock Watchers, We believe the Sessions clock movement and most of the case to be real, however the Nipper/Victor advertising we believe is fake. There was a clock similar to this one (but not the same) on EBay a few years ago when we were writing the book on Nipper Collectibles. You will not find this clock in the book, because we could not find any verification that this clock was ever made for the Victor Company. If the clock was an advertising clock made for a dealer, we feel the dealer's name and address would be stenciled somewhere on the clock. The Nipper trademark looks strange like the base is cut at an odd angle. Also, the Arial font with straight quotes for "His Master's Voice" isn't correct. The red lettering looks to be in incredibly good shape. I would think there would be some darkening of the letters in the areas where there's browning. In regard to fakes, Nipper cast iron banks found on page 5-69 of our Nipper Collectibles book have been selling for incredible prices. They are made to look old and rusted, however they are the fantasy Nipper banks made in the 1990's. Robin & Joan Rolfs Visit us at: www.audioantique.com
