Oh here we go! :-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Jay Horenstein" <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:31:36 To: 'Antique Phonograph List'<[email protected]> Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Phono forum problem Wicked witch of the East. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:51 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono forum problem Yes, I just went into that website, did you mean Paul R. Flint age 72 of New York?? is that the fellow? How do we know for sure it is the same Paul Flint from the Phonolist. The reason I asked is that discussion came up before, and some one pointed out his passing and than it was contradicted by someone else, so it was never resolved. What was it that Mark Twain once said? "The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated". Can we confirm this one way or another absolutely positively, just like the coroner in Munchkin City did with the Wicked Witch of the West?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Fraser" <[email protected]> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 2:51:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono forum problem Nope, he's been dead since 2005. You can verify it on the Social Security Death Index (google "SSDI" to find it), plus he hasn't posted on the list (or board or listserv or whatever), or responded to any requests since that time. The cat part isn't as easy to verify but every time I've been told of his death that's been part of the story. Happens a lot when lonely people with pets die and nobody finds them for a while. On Mar 12, 2009, at 5:55 AM, "Ron L" <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't think he's talking about phonolist which is a mailing list > and not a > message board. Phonolist was and is Paul's list. He made the rules > and > worked hard to keep the list spam/spammer free. Yes it was a PITA > to get on > the list. Then he got busy with work. He is still alive and it is > still > HIS list. However, someone else is helping him check out new > applicants, so > there is little wait time to get on the list, and it is still spam > free. > > Ron L > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] > ] On > Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:55 PM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono forum problem > > I'd say poetic justice, but that's too cruel. > ------Original Message------ > From: Peter Fraser > Sender: [email protected] > To: Antique Phonograph List > ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono forum problem > Sent: Mar 11, 2009 7:50 PM > > Are you talking about that a-hole Paul Something-or-other of > phonolist? He abandoned them for a few years, effectively shutting it > to any membership changes...and I heard he later was found dead in his > manhattan hovel, partially eaten by his cats. > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- Peter > [email protected] > > On Mar 11, 2009, at 6:50 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> Hopefully it replaced the one where this crazy old coot thought he >> was the end all be all of phonograph board leaders. If you said >> anything he didn't agree with, you got flamed like crazy. Once he >> called me all these names off list and some on list. That was the >> only phono guy I could say I hate. He was a vicious, rabid dog who >> regularly victimized board contributors. >> ------Original Message------ >> From: DanKj >> Sender: [email protected] >> To: Antique Phonograph List >> ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono forum problem >> Sent: Mar 11, 2009 5:35 PM >> >> Seems to be so many of these messageboards, now .... which one did >> this >> replace, if any? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Daniel Melvin" <[email protected]> >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:01 PM >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono forum problem >> >> >>> Try this... >>> >>> http://victrolagramophones.proboards.com/ >> >>_______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >>_______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >_______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > >_______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. 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Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.11/1997 - Release Date: 3/12/2009 10:38 AM _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From [email protected] Thu Mar 12 15:57:41 2009 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Thu Mar 12 15:59:02 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Phono forum problem In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <624208997.6295351236898661153.javamail.r...@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> My apologies to Billie Burke!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Horenstein" <[email protected]> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 4:31:36 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Phono forum problem Wicked witch of the East. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:51 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono forum problem Yes, I just went into that website, did you mean Paul R. Flint age 72 of New York?? is that the fellow? How do we know for sure it is the same Paul Flint from the Phonolist. The reason I asked is that discussion came up before, and some one pointed out his passing and than it was contradicted by someone else, so it was never resolved. What was it that Mark Twain once said? "The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated". Can we confirm this one way or another absolutely positively, just like the coroner in Munchkin City did with the Wicked Witch of the West?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Fraser" <[email protected]> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 2:51:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono forum problem Nope, he's been dead since 2005. You can verify it on the Social Security Death Index (google "SSDI" to find it), plus he hasn't posted on the list (or board or listserv or whatever), or responded to any requests since that time. The cat part isn't as easy to verify but every time I've been told of his death that's been part of the story. Happens a lot when lonely people with pets die and nobody finds them for a while. On Mar 12, 2009, at 5:55 AM, "Ron L" <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't think he's talking about phonolist which is a mailing list > and not a > message board. Phonolist was and is Paul's list. He made the rules > and > worked hard to keep the list spam/spammer free. Yes it was a PITA > to get on > the list. Then he got busy with work. He is still alive and it is > still > HIS list. However, someone else is helping him check out new > applicants, so > there is little wait time to get on the list, and it is still spam > free. > > Ron L > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] > ] On > Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:55 PM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono forum problem > > I'd say poetic justice, but that's too cruel. > ------Original Message------ > From: Peter Fraser > Sender: [email protected] > To: Antique Phonograph List > ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono forum problem > Sent: Mar 11, 2009 7:50 PM > > Are you talking about that a-hole Paul Something-or-other of > phonolist? He abandoned them for a few years, effectively shutting it > to any membership changes...and I heard he later was found dead in his > manhattan hovel, partially eaten by his cats. > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- Peter > [email protected] > > On Mar 11, 2009, at 6:50 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> Hopefully it replaced the one where this crazy old coot thought he >> was the end all be all of phonograph board leaders. If you said >> anything he didn't agree with, you got flamed like crazy. Once he >> called me all these names off list and some on list. That was the >> only phono guy I could say I hate. He was a vicious, rabid dog who >> regularly victimized board contributors. >> ------Original Message------ >> From: DanKj >> Sender: [email protected] >> To: Antique Phonograph List >> ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono forum problem >> Sent: Mar 11, 2009 5:35 PM >> >> Seems to be so many of these messageboards, now .... which one did >> this >> replace, if any? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Daniel Melvin" <[email protected]> >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:01 PM >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono forum problem >> >> >>> Try this... >>> >>> http://victrolagramophones.proboards.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.11/1997 - Release Date: 3/12/2009 10:38 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.11/1997 - Release Date: 3/12/2009 10:38 AM _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From [email protected] Thu Mar 12 16:01:00 2009 From: [email protected] (wayne holznagel) Date: Thu Mar 12 16:01:06 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Phono Forum Message-ID: <[email protected]> Hello Folks, I usually try to stay out of the negative message threads.? However, in this case I should clear up a few things Each of the phonograph chat groups has something to offer.? The individual collector has to decide which answers their needs the most.? I happen to participate in a couple incl phono-l and phonolist.? It is the individual members and their postiive contributions to the hobby that can make or break a list.? Just my two bits. Paul is alive and well.? I have traded emails with him . . . most recently a few months ago.? I have the pleasure of reviewing the applications to phonolist.? Have been doing so since the end of last year.? There are many new members.? Usually I suggest to the new collectors that there is a great advantage to joining more than one internet group . . . as well as a group such as MAPS or CAPS.? I also encourage the new collectors to participate in discussions about phonographs as everyone has something to offer. Many of you know of me.? Some of you may even count me as one of your friends.? It's a great hobby and perhaps instead of the negatives . . . we should each try to emphasize the positive if we want the hobby to continue to be rewarding for new collectors. Again, just my two bits.? Happy Collecting. <:)> Wayne H ? My website is at http://www.phonomantiques.com/ From [email protected] Thu Mar 12 16:11:48 2009 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Thu Mar 12 16:11:27 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Phono Forum In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <592495748-1236899516-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-20832813...@bxe1293.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I knew it was only a matter of time before a voice of reason spoke up! ;-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: wayne holznagel <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:01:00 To: <[email protected]> Subject: [Phono-L] Phono Forum Hello Folks, I usually try to stay out of the negative message threads.? However, in this case I should clear up a few things Each of the phonograph chat groups has something to offer.? The individual collector has to decide which answers their needs the most.? I happen to participate in a couple incl phono-l and phonolist.? It is the individual members and their postiive contributions to the hobby that can make or break a list.? Just my two bits. Paul is alive and well.? I have traded emails with him . . . most recently a few months ago.? I have the pleasure of reviewing the applications to phonolist.? Have been doing so since the end of last year.? There are many new members.? Usually I suggest to the new collectors that there is a great advantage to joining more than one internet group . . . as well as a group such as MAPS or CAPS.? I also encourage the new collectors to participate in discussions about phonographs as everyone has something to offer. Many of you know of me.? Some of you may even count me as one of your friends.? It's a great hobby and perhaps instead of the negatives . . . we should each try to emphasize the positive if we want the hobby to continue to be rewarding for new collectors. Again, just my two bits.? Happy Collecting. <:)> Wayne H ? My website is at http://www.phonomantiques.com/ _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From [email protected] Thu Mar 12 16:22:32 2009 From: [email protected] (harvey kravitz) Date: Thu Mar 12 16:22:39 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor III HEEEEEEELP! In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Jay is correct. The tone arm for Victors III, IV and V are the same. The tone arm for the VI is also the same, but gold plated. The V and VI back bracket is shorter than the III to accommodate the larger cabinet and 12" turntable. The Victor III is longer to accommodate the smaller case and 10" turntable. I suggest that you advertise for a Victor III back bracket. Harvey Kravitz --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Jay Horenstein <[email protected]> wrote: From: Jay Horenstein <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Victor III HEEEEEEELP! To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 2:28 PM I purchased a gorgeous Vic V at a show once, and when I got it home I noticed that the tone arm came up about one inch too short. I called Tim Fabizio thinking I needed a different one. He told me that all the tone arms are pretty much the same, and explained the whole back bracket thing. I sure hope you find what you need, Jay -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 2:09 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor III HEEEEEEELP! That's right, the V has 12 inches... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Jay Horenstein" <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:39:32 To: 'Antique Phonograph List'<[email protected]> Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Victor III HEEEEEEELP! The larger machines (like with twelve inch turn tables) used a shorter back bracket so the tone arm wouldn't come up short of the spindle, And would track correctly. Jay -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Phono-L] Victor III HEEEEEEELP! I swear I am going to chop this Vic III to BITS....I am so frustrated... I got this Vic III a couple of year ago. Nice machine. It had a Vic IV horn, which I sold and then purchased a really nice Victor III horn. I finally took it to sell at a GSPS meeting. Someone pointed out that the beck bracket and tonearm were from a Victor II. I took it off the market because I didn't want to be dishonest and say it was all original. I searched and searched and found a kind person who traded me the Vic II bracket, arm and elbow (and a small amount of cash) for a Vic III bracket and arm (no elbow). The bracket has new decals, but looks ok. The II arm had lost most of the decals. Also the new tonearm looks great. Except for one thing. It is too long. I don't know what it is from - it is obviously a Victor outside horn tonearm, but if I line it up to the center of the spindle and put the reproduce down, the needle touches down about an inch out front of the spindle, instead of on center which it should do. I am about at the end of my rope. I've spent a lot of time and money to the point where I will have to keep this for awhile til values go up - as is I would need $2400 for it. Anybody got a true Vic III tonearm that they can send me the measurements to? Anybody got a true Vic III/IV/V tonearm available??? Save me!!!! Thanks John Robles _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.11/1997 - Release Date: 3/12/2009 10:38 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.11/1997 - Release Date: 3/12/2009 10:38 AM _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.11/1997 - Release Date: 3/12/2009 10:38 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.11/1997 - Release Date: 3/12/2009 10:38 AM _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From [email protected] Thu Mar 12 16:23:03 2009 From: [email protected] (Jay Horenstein) Date: Thu Mar 12 16:29:06 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Phono Forum In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> I don't even know who Paul is. I just wanted to set the record straight about which witch is which in Oz. Jay -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of wayne holznagel Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 4:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Phono-L] Phono Forum Hello Folks, I usually try to stay out of the negative message threads.? However, in this case I should clear up a few things Each of the phonograph chat groups has something to offer.? The individual collector has to decide which answers their needs the most.? I happen to participate in a couple incl phono-l and phonolist.? It is the individual members and their postiive contributions to the hobby that can make or break a list.? Just my two bits. Paul is alive and well.? I have traded emails with him . . . most recently a few months ago.? I have the pleasure of reviewing the applications to phonolist.? Have been doing so since the end of last year.? There are many new members.? Usually I suggest to the new collectors that there is a great advantage to joining more than one internet group . . . as well as a group such as MAPS or CAPS.? I also encourage the new collectors to participate in discussions about phonographs as everyone has something to offer. Many of you know of me.? Some of you may even count me as one of your friends.? It's a great hobby and perhaps instead of the negatives . . . we should each try to emphasize the positive if we want the hobby to continue to be rewarding for new collectors. Again, just my two bits.? Happy Collecting. <:)> Wayne H ? My website is at http://www.phonomantiques.com/ _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.11/1997 - Release Date: 3/12/2009 10:38 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. 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