I've just learned about a new site that hopes to be a forum for buying and selling the more unusual... Here's a link: www.bonanzle.com. It's not very robust yet, but people need to discover and use it. And then who knows what it might become!?! I have no vested interest in it, other than finding some other way to sell items without *Bay's increasingly onerous terms. ____________________________________________________________ Prices, software, charts & analysis. Click here to open your online FX trading account. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIyVkSkYjLvUpWZoKKVUye7KTKmjaY5y3zzs9PLMnvFiSNIl3UFmI/ From [email protected] Fri May 1 09:14:45 2009 From: [email protected] (john robles) Date: Fri May 1 09:14:50 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Upstart competitor to *Bay In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Very interesting site! I hope they make it without turning into the corporate greed monster that eBay's become. --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Merle Sprinzen <[email protected]> wrote: From: Merle Sprinzen <[email protected]> Subject: [Phono-L] Upstart competitor to *Bay To: [email protected] Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 5:41 AM I've just learned about a new site that hopes to be a forum for buying and selling the more unusual... Here's a link: www.bonanzle.com. It's not very robust yet, but people need to discover and use it. And then who knows what it might become!?! I have no vested interest in it, other than finding some other way to sell items without *Bay's increasingly onerous terms. ____________________________________________________________ Prices, software, charts & analysis. Click here to open your online FX trading account. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIyVkSkYjLvUpWZoKKVUye7KTKmjaY5y3zzs9PLMnvFiSNIl3UFmI/ _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From [email protected] Fri May 1 10:25:23 2009 From: [email protected] (Steven Medved) Date: Fri May 1 10:25:31 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> I have heard white lithium grease is too light. > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem > Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 00:48:54 -0400 > > I've been watching this thread, and dagnab it, I still have my aged mind > mde up that sumpin' is together bass-ackwards. The only way to ever find > out is to take the thing apart again and re-construct the assembly. I > haven't studied the effects of having a spring in backwards, so my theories > may not mean anything. You realize that this thing is going to have me > losing sleep. I'll need to swallow a Melatonin tonight just to have peace! > > You can bet your sweet bippy that, when I reassemble the 4 spring motor for > a VV-XIV I have, that I'll ponder over every part of that thing. BTW, I > have heard that white lithium grease is good stuff for these motors. Have > you ever heard otherwise? > > There's a spare 4 spring motor laying around here someplace, and I'd even > use it to check on myself when I put the other one together. > > Seriously, Ron, you wouldn't have to remove any springs from the barrels if > you want to check on yourself. If you just remove the barrels from the > shafts and the hubs, you can see readily, which way the spring winds up in > each end of the barrel. That way, you'll prove conclusively, that I'm > wrong. > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Ron L'Herault <[email protected]> > > To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> > > Date: 4/30/2009 11:46:43 PM > > Subject: RE: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem > > > > They did, indeed feel stiff and winding seems normal. It is gear > reduction > > winding on this type motor, not direct so winding is easy. > > > > Ron > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On > > Behalf Of Bob > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:05 PM > > To: Antique Phonograph List > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem > > > > When you put the springs back did they feal realy stiff? Does it seem > to > > have good tension when you wind it? I don't know if this will help, but > I > > would let it run down completely and then count the number of turns to > get > > it fully wound. Then ask someone with a Credenza with a good 4 spring > motor > > > > to do the same and compare the results I didn't see Georges sugestion. > > What was it? > > Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron L" <[email protected]> > > To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:28 PM > > Subject: RE: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem > > > > > > > The owner of the machine said that even with the thump, it played more > > > than > > > three sides. However, the thump was so bad at one point that the needle > > > jumped. I winder if it was so bound up that one or more of the springs > > > acted as if they were smaller/under more tension and so powered the > motor > > > longer but not the full 20 min. I also suspected that the springs may > > > have > > > 'softened' over time but I will try George Vollema's gear suggestion > > > before > > > I do anything else. > > > > > > Ron L > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > > > On > > > Behalf Of Bob > > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 11:56 AM > > > To: Antique Phonograph List > > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem > > > > > > Ron, > > > Did you wind it fully and play it before you changed the grease to > > > eliminate the thumping? If so how long did it play? A good four spring > > > motor should run about 20 minutes. If it didn't, it's possible that the > > > springs have lost some temper and are weak. The only other > possibility > > > is > > > > > > a bad record or needle but I'm sure you thought of that. > > > Bob > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron L" <[email protected]> > > > To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:47 AM > > > Subject: RE: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem > > > > > > > > >>I do have an electric C. This is a repair for someone else. The neat > > >> thing about the clip end/bent end springs is that it is impossible to > > >> assemble them into the cans in the wrong direction. It is easy to > mess > > >> them up when you have rivets in the cans and holes on the springs. > They > > >> do > > >> not wind up, and in fact will distort the spring centers, with the real > > >> potential for breaking them. > > >> > > >> Ron L > > >> > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > > >> On > > >> Behalf Of Douglas Houston > > >> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:05 AM > > >> To: Antique Phonograph List > > >> Subject: RE: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem > > >> > > >> This is a sticky one. I have a long shot thought. Victor has a > procedure > > >> in > > >> the service notes, that tells you whichn spring to load in the barrel, > > >> and > > >> its direction of winding.Is it possible that one of the springs could > > >> have > > >> nbeen installed in reverse? I'm not even sure if the motor could be > > >> nwound > > >> if that were done, but as I've said, it's a long shot. > > >> > > >> I have one of those 4 spring jobs apart now, and I've got to study the > > >> thing a lot before I re-pack the springs. > > >> > > >> (Maybe if you got one of those electric Credenzas like I have, you > > >> wouldn't > > >> have this mess!!!!) > > >> > > >> Cheers > > >> > > >> Doug. Houston > > >> > > >> > > >>> [Original Message] > > >>> From: Ron L'Herault <[email protected]> > > >>> To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]>; > > >> <[email protected]> > > >>> Date: 4/29/2009 10:55:02 PM > > >>> Subject: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem > > >>> > > >>> Hokay, list experts. I need help. The original problem was thumping > > >>> springs. So, you take them out (done that many times) clean them, and > > >>> reinstall/relube. This should be pretty straight forward. And these > are > > >> the > > >>> ones with the clip outer ends and bent over inner ends. They only go > > >>> together one way. It winds up fine but only plays 4 sides before it > > >> starts > > >>> to loose power and slow down when you try to play the 5th side. > > >>> Sometimes > > >>> it makes a bit of a scraping sound but nothing is hitting the > turntable. > > >>> What have I missed? > > >>> > > >>> Thanks, > > >>> > > >>> Ron L > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> Phono-L mailing list > > >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Phono-L mailing list > > >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Phono-L mailing list > > >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.10/2088 - Release Date: > 04/30/09 > > > 06:01:00 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Phono-L mailing list > > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Phono-L mailing list > > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---- > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.10/2088 - Release Date: > 04/30/09 > > 06:01:00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From [email protected] Fri May 1 13:37:21 2009 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Fri May 1 13:34:47 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Upstart competitor to *Bay Message-ID: <[email protected]> interesting alternative to ebay the biggest problem i have with ebay is that they dont have to guts to stand up to irs in our material for future tax scrutiny the irs is making paypal and ebay show sales over 20 k or 200 transactions irs also wanted renters to issues 1099s to their land lords this is just two items they were trying to get passed and on the books by 2011 also all stock sales will be reported to irs with both sales and cost basis no more fooling big brother lol zono In a message dated 5/1/2009 1:16:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I've just learned about a new site that hopes to be a forum for buying and selling the more unusual... Here's a link: www.bonanzle.com. It's not very robust yet, but people need to discover and use it. And then who knows what it might become!?! I have no vested interest in it, other than finding some other way to sell items without *Bay's increasingly onerous terms. ____________________________________________________________ Prices, software, charts & analysis. Click here to open your online FX trading account. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIyVkSkYjLvUpWZoKKVUye7KTK mjaY5y3zzs9PLMnvFiSNIl3UFmI/ _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************Join ChristianMingle.com? FREE! Meet Christian Singles in your area. Start now! 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