Contact me off line ([email protected]) re Whitworth screws and nuts. You are not in trouble. Can direct you to a source. Larry -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, Apr 19, 2010 12:53 pm Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 49 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l r, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific han "Re: Contents of Phono-L digest..." f you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire igest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Re: hello all (Steven Medved) 2. Problems with withworth screws (Gabriel Marro) 3. Re: Problems with withworth screws (Bob) 4. Vitaphone tone arm (Bob) 5. 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Re: Problems with withworth screws (Rich) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 ate: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 17:52:19 +0000 rom: Steven Medved <[email protected]> o: Phono-l <[email protected]> ubject: Re: [Phono-L] hello all essage-ID: <[email protected]> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" irek Stehlic [email protected] here is the e-mail I have for him. > From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 12:54:27 -0400 To: [email protected] Subject: [Phono-L] hello all hi a few years ago i got some repro berliner parts from a gentleman named stilek in canada does anyone have his email thanks zono _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ------------------------------ Message: 2 ate: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 20:32:03 +0200 rom: Gabriel Marro <[email protected]> o: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> ubject: [Phono-L] Problems with withworth screws essage-ID: <[email protected]> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I am restoring a phonograph and have found a problem with screws and nuts. This mage: http://www.boxio.com/390IKUMODS33/withworth screws&nut.JPG shows two crews and a copper nut that is to be embedded in the wood. Well, my problem is hat the phonograph lacks the other nut. Here, in Spain, there is almost mpossible to find withworth screws o nuts as they have never been used here ince more than one hundred years. Do any of you know where can I get a nut to put it embedded in the wood? I think he metric is 1/8'' Withworth. Thanks in advance, Gabriel. El 18/04/2010, a las 03:19, [email protected] escribi?: > Join us tonight and Talk Antique Phonographs, records or any other related ubject on the weekly Antique Phonograph Forum located here. Hoping to see some ew forum participants, and some old ones who have not visited in awhile. http://www.oldcrank.org/chat/ Bruce _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ------------------------------ Message: 3 ate: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 15:17:33 -0400 rom: "Bob" <[email protected]> o: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Problems with withworth screws essage-ID: <e41abddaf5204c3b9df8510f61da9...@hppc> ontent-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Gabriel, Those screws don't look 100 years old and I doubt that they are original o your machine. I think I would replace them with screws and nuts of the amesise with standard threads. You can probably find some old ones that ould be in character with your machine. Keep the screws you have with your achine just in case you ever find the correct nut, ---- Original Message ----- rom: "Gabriel Marro" <[email protected]> o: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> ent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 2:32 PM ubject: [Phono-L] Problems with withworth screws am restoring a phonograph and have found a problem with screws and nuts. his image: http://www.boxio.com/390IKUMODS33/withworth screws&nut.JPG shows wo screws and a copper nut that is to be embedded in the wood. Well, my roblem is that the phonograph lacks the other nut. Here, in Spain, there is lmost impossible to find withworth screws o nuts as they have never been sed here since more than one hundred years. Do any of you know where can I get a nut to put it embedded in the wood? I hink the metric is 1/8'' Withworth. Thanks in advance, Gabriel. El 18/04/2010, a las 03:19, [email protected] escribi?: > Join us tonight and Talk Antique Phonographs, records or any other related subject on the weekly Antique Phonograph Forum located here. Hoping to see some new forum participants, and some old ones who have not visited in awhile. http://www.oldcrank.org/chat/ Bruce _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org ------------------------------ Message: 4 ate: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 15:20:26 -0400 rom: "Bob" <[email protected]> o: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> ubject: [Phono-L] Vitaphone tone arm essage-ID: <7457629f53d8480596cfe2387ffaf...@hppc> ontent-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I am in the process of downsizing and am selling off miscellaneous honograph items. I have a complete tone arm and diaphragm for a Vitaphone honograph. I know this design was manufactured and sold in Canada from 913 to 1916. It is unusual in that the tone arm did not contain the iaphragm. It was mounted in a stand at the rear of the arm. The arm is ade of wood and it vibrated. The vibrations were transferred to the iaphragm which is mounted at the rear of the arm. My arm is similar to hose shown at http://www.keithwright.ca/CAPP/Vitaphone/vitaphone.html ccording to this web sight the tone arm was capable of playing both lateral nd vertical cut records. I can supply pictures of my parts to anyone that s seriously interested in it. I don't have an idea of the value of this iece so I will sell it to the highest offer I receive. If you are nterested, email me at [email protected] and I will provide detailed ictures of my part. ------------------------------ Message: 5 ate: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 23:23:08 +0000 (UTC) rom: [email protected] o: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Vitaphone Tone Arm essage-ID: <954355533.201441271632988253.javamail.r...@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Good Luck with your sale Bob, I went to the link and that is really fascinating lternate sound technology for its time. Wonder how many of the actual units till survive. Bruce ---- Original Message ----- rom: "Bob" <[email protected]> o: "Phono L List" <[email protected]> ent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:15:31 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern ubject: [Phono-L] Vitaphone Tone Arm I am in the process of downsizing and am selling off miscellaneous phonograph tems. I have a complete tone arm and diaphragm for a Vitaphone phonograph. I now this design was manufactured and sold in Canada from 1913 to 1916. It is nusual in that the tone arm did not contain the diaphragm. It was mounted in a tand at the rear of the arm. The arm is made of wood and it vibrated. The ibrations were transferred to the diaphragm which is mounted at the rear of the rm. My arm is similar to those shown at http://www.keithwright.ca/CAPP/Vitaphone/vitaphone.html ccording to this web sight the tone arm was capable of playing both lateral and ertical cut records. I can supply pictures of my parts to anyone that is eriously interested in it. I don't have an idea of the value of this piece so I ill sell it to the highest offer I receive. If you are interested, email me at [email protected] and I will provide detailed pictures of my part. ______________________________________________ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org ----------------------------- Message: 6 ate: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 20:17:18 EDT rom: [email protected] o: [email protected] ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Vitaphone Tone Arm essage-ID: <[email protected]> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" its an interesting machine have one and know of quite a few out there n a message dated 4/18/2010 7:41:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Good Luck with your sale Bob, I went to the link and that is really ascinating alternate sound technology for its time. Wonder how many of the ctual units still survive. Bruce ---- Original Message ----- rom: "Bob" <[email protected]> o: "Phono L List" <[email protected]> ent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:15:31 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern ubject: [Phono-L] Vitaphone Tone Arm I am in the process of downsizing and am selling off miscellaneous honograph items. I have a complete tone arm and diaphragm for a Vitaphone honograph. I know this design was manufactured and sold in Canada from 1913 to 1916. It is unusual in that the tone arm did not contain the diaphragm. It as mounted in a stand at the rear of the arm. The arm is made of wood and it ibrated. The vibrations were transferred to the diaphragm which is ounted at the rear of the arm. My arm is similar to those shown at ttp://www.keithwright.ca/CAPP/Vitaphone/vitaphone.html According to this web ight the one arm was capable of playing both lateral and vertical cut records. I an supply pictures of my parts to anyone that is seriously interested in t. I don't have an idea of the value of this piece so I will sell it to the ighest offer I receive. If you are interested, email me at [email protected] and I will provide detailed pictures of my part. ______________________________________________ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org ______________________________________________ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org ------------------------------ Message: 7 ate: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 18:47:40 -0500 rom: "Scott Malawski" <[email protected]> o: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <[email protected]> ubject: Re: [Phono-L] hello all essage-ID: <000001cadf51$8862ecd0$9928c6...@net> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey Rob; What parts are you looking for? I have a few repro parts here. Hope you re doing well. Scott. -----Original Message----- rom: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On ehalf Of [email protected] ent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:54 AM o: [email protected] ubject: [Phono-L] hello all hi few years ago i got some repro berliner parts from a gentleman named tilek in canada oes anyone have his email hanks ono ______________________________________________ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org ----------------------------- Message: 8 ate: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 17:44:39 -0700 (PDT) rom: john robles <[email protected]> o: [email protected] ubject: [Phono-L] Which would you choose - Opera or Fireside? essage-ID: <[email protected]> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi everyone, and a very nice Sunday to you all. went to our Golden State Phonograph Society (California MAPS Chapter) club eeting at Ron Dethlefson's house yesterday, and as we usually offer things for ale, I took my Triumph model B with 2/4 conversion, model H reproducer and epro 14" horn and my Fireside A with orig Fireside horn in very nice condition. had only taken the Fireside because a friend was going to bring me a Fireside rane so I could hang the horn. I took the Triumph on a whim. So what happened s that I ended up choosing between them. I sold the Triumph and kept the ireside. The Triumph takes a huge bite out of my room with the MG horn, and I on't like it with the 14" horn. The Fireside looks great with a very nice riginal red horn I got recently. Lots of paint on the horn. And the machine lays great. So although the Triumph is a nice heavy duty machine, very nice ondition, 2/4, I still preferred the Fireside. Now for the question - ave you ever made a choice between a more valuable and rarer machine and a less aluable and more common machine? and if so, which one did you keep? ohn Robles ----------------------------- Message: 9 ate: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 18:05:59 -0700 (PDT) rom: Dennis Back <[email protected]> o: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Which would you choose - Opera or Fireside? essage-ID: <[email protected]> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Opera or Fireside??? Let me think about it.? ;-) But seriously, yes.....for my first cylinder machine, 28 years ago, I picked an dison Standard A over a 4 clip Standard.? It was pointed out to me that the articular 4 clip was a much quieter machine, not to mention probably more aluable as it was older than the Standard A.? They were both the same price. As I said, I picked the Standard A because it had the nice, large Edison banner. BTW....my wife bought this for me as a wedding present 28 years ago. :-) Dennis ------------------------------ Message: 10 ate: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 08:40:50 +0200 (CEST) rom: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> o: <[email protected]> ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Problems with withworth screws essage-ID: <13559373.1788391271659250092.javamail.r...@wm2> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Those screws are, for sure, from a Bettini reproducer. And, of course, they are ore than 100 years. Perhaps the picture, because of the camera flash, has a too ight contrast and screws look like new ones, but if you look at them directly ou can count the years they are. I woulk like to find a withworth 1/8'' nut better than changing the screws. Do ou think is so difficult? Gabriel ---Mensaje original---- e: [email protected] echa: 18/04/2010 21:17 ara: "Antique Phonograph List"<[email protected]> sunto: Re: [Phono-L] Problems with withworth screws Gabriel, Those screws don't look 100 years old and I doubt that they are original o your machine. I think I would replace them with screws and nuts of the amesise with standard threads. You can probably find some old ones that ould be in character with your machine. Keep the screws you have with your achine just in case you ever find the correct nut, ---- Original Message ----- rom: "Gabriel Marro" <[email protected]> o: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> ent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 2:32 PM ubject: [Phono-L] Problems with withworth screws am restoring a phonograph and have found a problem with screws and nuts. his image: http://www.boxio.com/390IKUMODS33/withworth screws&nut.JPG shows wo screws and a copper nut that is to be embedded in the wood. Well, my roblem is that the phonograph lacks the other nut. Here, in Spain, there is lmost impossible to find withworth screws o nuts as they have never been sed here since more than one hundred years. Do any of you know where can I get a nut to put it embedded in the wood? I hink the metric is 1/8'' Withworth. Thanks in advance, Gabriel. El 18/04/2010, a las 03:19, [email protected] escribi?: > Join us tonight and Talk Antique Phonographs, records or any other related subject on the weekly Antique Phonograph Forum located here. Hoping to see some new forum participants, and some old ones who have not visited in awhile. http://www.oldcrank.org/chat/ Bruce _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org ------------------------------ Message: 11 ate: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 04:48:40 -0400 rom: [email protected] o: [email protected] ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Which would you choose - Opera or Fireside? essage-ID: <[email protected]> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" HI JOHN ou did right triumph is a good machine but does take up alot of room f it had been an idelia that would be different but the fireside is a nice one ith a good horn and more compact udos ono -----Original Message----- rom: john robles <[email protected]> o: [email protected] ent: Sun, Apr 18, 2010 8:44 pm ubject: [Phono-L] Which would you choose - Opera or Fireside? i everyone, and a very nice Sunday to you all. went to our Golden State Phonograph Society (California MAPS Chapter) club eeting at Ron Dethlefson's house yesterday, and as we usually offer things for ale, I took my Triumph model B with 2/4 conversion, model H reproducer and epro 14" horn and my Fireside A with orig Fireside horn in very nice condition. I had only taken the Fireside because a friend was going to bring me a Fireside rane so I could hang the horn. I took the Triumph on a whim. So what happened s that I ended up choosing between them. I sold the Triumph and kept the ireside. The Triumph takes a huge bite out of my room with the MG horn, and I on't like it with the 14" horn. The Fireside looks great with a very nice riginal red horn I got recently. Lots of paint on the horn. And the machine lays great. So although the Triumph is a nice heavy duty machine, very nice ondition, 2/4, I still preferred the Fireside. Now for the question - ave you ever made a choice between a more valuable and rarer machine and a less valuable and more common machine? and if so, which one did you keep? ohn Robles ______________________________________________ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org ----------------------------- Message: 12 ate: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 04:50:19 -0400 rom: [email protected] o: [email protected] ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Which would you choose - Opera or Fireside? essage-ID: <[email protected]> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" my best one was when i bought my triumph and was new to collecting i was ffered a mahogany triumph and a oak one for the same price and a friend onvinced me to buy the oak f i had only known forty years ago ol ono -----Original Message----- rom: Dennis Back <[email protected]> o: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> ent: Sun, Apr 18, 2010 9:05 pm ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Which would you choose - Opera or Fireside? pera or Fireside? Let me think about it. ;-) But seriously, yes.....for my first cylinder machine, 28 years ago, I picked an dison Standard A over a 4 clip Standard. It was pointed out to me that the articular 4 clip was a much quieter machine, not to mention probably more aluable as it was older than the Standard A. They were both the same price. As I said, I picked the Standard A because it had the nice, large Edison banner. BTW....my wife bought this for me as a wedding present 28 years ago. :-) Dennis ______________________________________________ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org ----------------------------- Message: 13 ate: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 06:05:28 -0500 rom: "Ken and Brenda Brekke" <[email protected]> o: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <[email protected]> ubject: Re: [Phono-L] hello all essage-ID: <000401cadfb0$38b89720$e100b...@your4dacd0ea75> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Scott, Any chance you have a repro gear for a Trademark Berliner? I am looking for he one with the ratchet pawls on it. ontact me off list at [email protected]. Thanks, en B. -----Original Message----- rom: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On ehalf Of Scott Malawski ent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 6:48 PM o: 'Antique Phonograph List' ubject: Re: [Phono-L] hello all Hey Rob; What parts are you looking for? I have a few repro parts here. Hope you re doing well. Scott. -----Original Message----- rom: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On ehalf Of [email protected] ent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:54 AM o: [email protected] ubject: [Phono-L] hello all hi few years ago i got some repro berliner parts from a gentleman named tilek in canada does anyone have his email thanks zono ______________________________________________ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org ______________________________________________ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org ------------------------------ Message: 14 ate: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:36:14 -0700 rom: SM <[email protected]> o: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> ubject: Re: [Phono-L] hello all essage-ID: <20100419153614.xz6ih.4862073.r...@mp18> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Ken, Good to hear from you. sorry I don't have any guts for a Berliner. I have a epro case, tone arm and traveling arm. Any good finds lately? Will you be going to Bill Bailey's meeting on 5/22? Scott. --- Ken and Brenda Brekke <[email protected]> wrote: Scott, Any chance you have a repro gear for a Trademark Berliner? I am looking for the one with the ratchet pawls on it. Contact me off list at [email protected]. Thanks, Ken B. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Scott Malawski Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 6:48 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] hello all Hey Rob; What parts are you looking for? I have a few repro parts here. Hope you are doing well. Scott. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:54 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Phono-L] hello all hi a few years ago i got some repro berliner parts from a gentleman named stilek in canada does anyone have his email thanks zono _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ------------------------------ Message: 15 ate: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:54:11 -0500 rom: Rich <[email protected]> o: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Problems with withworth screws essage-ID: <[email protected]> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed The Whitworth thread shape and pitch standards are used in some of the urrent British Model Engineering sizes. Measure the actual diameter of our screw and determine its diameter in fractions of a n inch and then easure the thread pitch and convert to threads/inch. Select fasteners n this page. http://sssmodels.com/ This is not the only place you an get them but its a start. The thread profile is 55 degrees with a ounded root and crest. Nothing else fits but a Whitworth. [email protected] wrote: Those screws are, for sure, from a Bettini reproducer. And, of course, they re more than 100 years. Perhaps the picture, because of the camera flash, has a oo hight contrast and screws look like new ones, but if you look at them irectly you can count the years they are. I woulk like to find a withworth 1/8'' nut better than changing the screws. Do ou think is so difficult? Gabriel ----Mensaje original---- De: [email protected] Fecha: 18/04/2010 21:17 Para: "Antique Phonograph List"<[email protected]> Asunto: Re: [Phono-L] Problems with withworth screws Gabriel, Those screws don't look 100 years old and I doubt that they are original to your machine. I think I would replace them with screws and nuts of the samesise with standard threads. You can probably find some old ones that would be in character with your machine. Keep the screws you have with your machine just in case you ever find the correct nut, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabriel Marro" <[email protected]> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 2:32 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Problems with withworth screws I am restoring a phonograph and have found a problem with screws and nuts. This image: http://www.boxio.com/390IKUMODS33/withworth screws&nut.JPG shows two screws and a copper nut that is to be embedded in the wood. Well, my problem is that the phonograph lacks the other nut. Here, in Spain, there is almost impossible to find withworth screws o nuts as they have never been used here since more than one hundred years. Do any of you know where can I get a nut to put it embedded in the wood? I think the metric is 1/8'' Withworth. Thanks in advance, Gabriel. El 18/04/2010, a las 03:19, [email protected] escribi?: > Join us tonight and Talk Antique Phonographs, records or any other related > subject on the weekly Antique Phonograph Forum located here. Hoping to see > some new forum participants, and some old ones who have not visited in > awhile. > > http://www.oldcrank.org/chat/ > > Bruce > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org End of Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 49 ************************************* _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
