When I got mine I assumed someone had home made the reproducer and
tonearm since they were wood and looked very wrong and amateurish. But I
have seen several others since and they were all this way so I assume
this is right.
Now I know why.
-Barry
On 4/23/2011 12:07 PM, [email protected] wrote:
If you see Joan's detailed follow up, you will note that the ONLY VARIATION was
in fact the position of the SPEED REGULATOR, and no other was noted.
Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vinyl Visions"<[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 12:01:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Is this a children's phonograph??
Ok, that pic looks to be original, with the mahogany woodgrain and the
fibre/cone tonearm.
My question, is still this: look at John's pic and the tonearm is mounted in a different
location and also "appears to be original". As I said before, where in the
world would you find a tonearm, motor and crank that would fit exactly in this machine?
Not to say it couldn't be done, but it begs the question - why would anyone go to the
trouble to alter a cheap machine in the first place and do such a good job that it would
be hard to discern???
Tonearms and reproducers made specifically for different machines are almost impossible
to move from one machine to another brand and fit exactly. I still wonder if this is yet
another variation of woodgraining (not an unusual concept considering that people like
different finishes) and the use of other available parts from the factory. If you look at
the pic of the auction machine at the link Bruce sent, you can see what appears to be a
speed regulator fitted in a hole where the tonearm on John's machine is mounted... maybe
the company decided to use the existing hole for a later changeover to a metal tonearm,
as the "fibre arm" looks delicate. The whole history of phonograph collecting
is filled with odd and unbelievable factory variations from respected manufacturers - why
not this cheap little machine?
What do I know??? I am not an expert, just a collector/restorer.
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 01:14:59 +0000
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Is this a children's phonograph??
Thanks. I just found one that looks completely original. If you pull up a close
up of the Center Photo you will get a good look at that so-called Violin Fibre
Tone Arm/Horn should look like. Note the dark Mahogany Color of the metal
cabinet.
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/6056299
Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vinyl Visions"<[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 7:47:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Is this a children's phonograph??
I am positive that Bruce is right... I was just wondering about possible
variations.
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 16:53:58 +0000
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Is this a children's phonograph??
This machine as I said is all wrong. The one that appeared on ebay a couple of
years ago was correct. It had the fiber tone and the correct reproducer, it was
correct color but it was missing the Motor. This is definitely a CAROLA but it
has definitely been altered from its original state. If you can live with that
drastic alteration of the original then by all means shell out some dough, its
whatever makes you happy.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vinyl Visions"<[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 11:40:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Is this a children's phonograph??
Hi John,Even though my 2 cents is only worth 2 cents, I have a couple of
questions: does the paint look re-done? Does it crank and play a record all the
way through? Does the needle hit the center of the turntable spindle, as it
would be very difficult to find another tonearm/reproducer that would be
exactly the right length to fit this cabinet, if it has been altered from
original. Why would anyone go to the difficulty of altering a cheap machine in
the first place? A portable would have probably been more expensive in the past
than this machine and these parts don't really look like a portable - look at
other CrapoPhones for a comparison. Are there extra holes in the cabinet? These
things were made in a time when variations were common, so the fibre arm may or
may not have worked as planned or been too expensive, etc. and may have been
factory altered with a metal tonearm... who knows? The graining looks good, but
if it is actually supposed to be dark mahogany woodgrai
n
in
g,
it looks wrong - again variations may have been made, which may still be
original. Carola and other small machine makers did odd things sometimes and I
am not sure that the product control was as good as other manufacturers. The
crank does not appear to stick out too far, and fits the original
hole/escutcheon from what I can observe... don't totally write it off without
doing more research. I would email Tim Fabrizio, and ask if he has ever seen
this machine, as oddballs turn up everyday. If anyone can give you an expert
opinion on this, I believe that he can. If you believe that it might be
worthwhile, give the seller a copy of these posts and see if he will come down
on the price... $100?Curt
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 03:48:17 -0700
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Phono-L] Is this a children's phonograph??
Hello all
There is a phonograph I am considering buying for resale, ostensibly a
children's phonograph that looks liks a small victrola. It is made of
woodgrained metal and is nice looking. Can anyone give me an idea of value? I
know some small phonographs weren't actually children's phonographs, and I am
interested in the history of this one. Pics can be seen here:
http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Mini%20Victrola/
Thanks!
John Robles
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