I talked to Stanton a couple of years ago. He wanted to buy outright, would not auction. He practically told me that the records and horns were worth nothing!
But then, of course, things were not as well organized as I have them now. Meanwhile, I still want to sell everything at once, not just the Hexaphone. Selling just the Hex leaves me with the other machines and hundreds of records, dozen horns, etc. which I can't pack to ship, so it'd be a struggle to piece it all out separately. Th anks again for input. ----- Original Message ----- From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 3:00:00 PM Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 8, Issue 218 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Phono-L digest..." If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Re: auction fees (George) 2. Re: auction fees (bruce78...@comcast.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 14:12:17 -0400 From: "George" <victr...@triton.net> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] auction fees Message-ID: <4FA6140BE4E74754BE9F4F1B3D0EBC31@VALUEDCB7D4C82> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Maybe you ought to contact Stanton's Auctions and talk to them about a consignment. They have their fall phonograph auction coming up in Nov. They do pickup. Steve knows his stuff and is very honest and reliable. Thank you, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph Newaygo MI 49337-8556 www.victroladoctor.com ----- Original Message ----- From: ge...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: ge...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 1:48 PM Subject: [Phono-L] auction fees Thanks to all who gave info about auction fees. I asked for their take to be 20% and to put a reserve on the Hexaphone and Zonophone (worth thousands each). THe auctioneer, WOODBURY Auctions then declined...tells ya somethin! I realized later, that a "ringer" could come in and buy my multi-thousand machines for a few hundred and make off like a bandit if I didn't have a reserve! At first they asked for 35% + shipping costs, then went down to 25% with no charge for shipping. BUT, the mention of reserve suddenly turned them off. Just something to think about...RESERVES are very very important. They may be a put-off to some, but to the seller are critical and I'm very grateful for the replies I got here. Thanks folks, many thanks!!! Ger If anyone hears of an auction or buyer willing to take on my collection fairly, please let me know...still would like to clear it out (northwest CT)...for real this time. ;) Besides the Hex and Zono, there are 4 Edisons, a Vic, a Herbert (reproducer area incorrectly fixed), over a dozen horns including one extra large round brass, a bunch of parts, and over 500 records, about half of which look like decent blue Amberols (a couple of other odd ones too & some good wax). Everything is catalogued, including a few dozen fat flat records and a Diamond Disc head with diamond. I've had offers for the 2 main machines, but don't want to be cherry-picked. :) PS: For any one who finds some of the discussion here unrelated to their immediate situation, I suggest that rather than drop out totally, get put on daily digest...it works well for me, and I actually enjoy it. Thanks for that too. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 18:23:03 +0000 (UTC) From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] auction fees Message-ID: <1246061143.275096.1311013383617.javamail.r...@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Just curious what reason did they give you for "declining your request for a reserve on the high ticket items"? You are entitled to an explanation. ----- Original Message ----- From: ge...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: ge...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 1:48:31 PM Subject: [Phono-L] auction fees Thanks to all who gave info about auction fees. I asked for their take to be 20% and to put a reserve on the Hexaphone and Zonophone (worth thousands each). THe auctioneer, WOODBURY Auctions then declined...tells ya somethin! I realized later, that a "ringer" could come in and buy my multi-thousand machines for a few hundred and make off like a bandit if I didn't have a reserve! At first they asked for 35% + shipping costs, then went down to 25% with no charge for shipping. BUT, the mention of reserve suddenly turned them off. Just something to think about...RESERVES are very very important. They may be a put-off to some, but to the seller are critical and I'm very grateful for the replies I got here. Thanks folks, many thanks!!! Ger If anyone hears of an auction or buyer willing to take on my collection fairly, please let me know...still would like to clear it out (northwest CT)...for real this time. ;) Besides the Hex and Zono, there are 4 Edisons, a Vic, a Herbert (reproducer area incorrectly fixed), over a dozen horns including one extra large round brass, a bunch of parts, and over 500 records, about half of which look like decent blue Amberols (a couple of other odd ones too & some good wax). Everything is catalogued, including a few dozen fat flat records and a Diamond Disc head with diamond. I've had offers for the 2 main machines, but don't want to be cherry-picked. :) PS: For any one who finds some of the discussion here unrelated to their immediate situation, I suggest that rather than drop out totally, get put on daily digest...it works well for me, and I actually enjoy it. Thanks for that too. ----- Original Message ----- From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, July 4, 2011 11:08:24 PM Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 8, Issue 197 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Phono-L digest..." If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. VTLA wheel casters (jkship) 2. Re: VTLA wheel casters (David Dazer) 3. Re: auction fees (Richard Mazur) 4. Re: Dearborn trip--Edison's last breath (b...@taney.com) 5. Recreating Edison's Inventions... very educational... was Dearborn... (clockworkh...@aol.com) 6. My Dearborn trip (Ken and Brenda Brekke) 7. Edison (Michael Tucker) 8. Re: Recreating Edison's Inventions... very educational... was Dearborn... (Steven Medved) 9. Re: VTLA wheel casters (jkship) 10. Re: VTLA wheel casters (Ron L'Herault) 11. Re: Edison feedscrew on mandrel shaft... Triumph, M, Home... (clockworkh...@aol.com) 12. Re: VTLA wheel casters (jkship) 13. Re: Edison feedscrew on mandrel shaft... Triumph, M, Home... (john robles) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 13:56:24 -0600 From: "jkship" <jks...@bresnan.net> To: <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Subject: [Phono-L] VTLA wheel casters Message-ID: <16F2FFE8882542FE91FEE85D1552AC9A@SHIPLEYSDELL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I am trying to locate a set of four "ball bearing type wheel casters" for an early VTLA. The part is a brass cup with a pressed on shoulder. The small end of the cup slides up into the leg of the phonograph. In the bottom of one of the cups is the remnant of a ball bearing ring. The open end of the cup has a distinct crimp that I assume held the wheel. Obviously, the three parts I have are missing the wheel assembly. I checked with George and Ron to no avail... Thanks ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 13:15:13 -0700 (PDT) From: David Dazer <dda...@sbcglobal.net> To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] VTLA wheel casters Message-ID: <1309810513.71949.yahoomailclas...@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Were they only used on the VTLA?? I just parted out a VV-XIV and saved those casters and related parts. In fact, they are still attached to the legs. Let me know if that would be of any use to you. Dave --- On Mon, 7/4/11, jkship <jks...@bresnan.net> wrote: From: jkship <jks...@bresnan.net> Subject: [Phono-L] VTLA wheel casters To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, July 4, 2011, 3:56 PM I am trying to locate a set of four "ball bearing type wheel casters" for an early VTLA.? The part is a brass cup with a pressed on shoulder. The small end of the cup slides up into the leg of the phonograph. In the bottom of one of the cups is the remnant of a ball bearing ring. The open end of the cup has a distinct crimp that I assume held the wheel. Obviously, the three parts I have are missing the wheel assembly. I checked with George and Ron to no avail... Thanks _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 17:40:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Mazur <phonofo...@aol.com> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] auction fees Message-ID: <8ce08aa190a57a0-1a6c-50...@webmail-d170.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Good point Al about ebay. Auction houses could make up to 45% on items ( 30% plus 15%) that make under $1000 There was an auction house near while I live (now defunct) where they would keep 50% commission on items you consign that total under $100. On top of the 50% the auction house also charged a 10% buyers premium. So the auction house makes more more on the item than the consignor does. Even though ebay has increased its fees they are still a viable alernative when selling items especially items that a easy to ship. -----Original Message----- From: Albert Menashe <almena...@gmail.com> To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Sent: Mon, Jul 4, 2011 3:05 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] auction fees the auctions that I attend locally, charge the buyer 15%, the sales ommission are negotiable based on the type merchandise, and the potential mounts realized. On smaller items (-1000) it is usually 30%. But it is otally negotiable. A whole collection valued at 500k may go for as little s 10% We know what the exhorbitant ebay fees are, but at least the buyer oesnt have to pay a commission. On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Richard Mazur <phonofo...@aol.com> wrote: > Hi Ger: Most auctions take about a 25 - 30% commission rate; however it also depends on how many phonongraphs you are planning to sell at the auction house. If you decide to sell just 1 or 10 the higher the commission rate. If you sell your whole collection like 50 or more then the commisson rate should be lower. I heard with some lucrative estates the rate may be as low as 20% or possibly lower. Rick -----Original Message----- From: ger55 <ge...@comcast.net> To: phono-l <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Cc: ger55 <ge...@comcast.net> Sent: Sun, Jul 3, 2011 6:52 pm Subject: [Phono-L] auction fees What is considered fair price for an auction house to take for auctioning honographs and related? 've asked this question twice but it never comes up on the daily digest. Thanks Ger ______________________________________________ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ______________________________________________ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 17:56:12 -0400 From: "b...@taney.com" <b...@taney.com> To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Cc: Phono-l <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Dearborn trip--Edison's last breath Message-ID: <98c71778-357d-42ae-b143-85b9d9cdf...@taney.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That's the history of innovation, no one EVER invents something in a vacuum, it is all based on someone else's work. Altair and many others tried to come up with computers that were functional personal computers, the Apple ][ was the first practical home computer system, thus Altair is forgotten and Apple is the largest technology company in the world. Same as the OTTO-cycle engine, many other engines were attempted but It was the first practical gas engine and thus Nikolas Otto gets the credit because his system worked. Bill -- Bill Taney Sent From My iPad On Jul 4, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Steven Medved <steve_nor...@msn.com> wrote: > > However, his filament had low resistance, thus needing heavy copper wires to > supply it. Jim, You are an electrical engineer, how much copper would have > been necessary to provide a working low resistance lighting system for all of > England? My understanding is that to employ a low resistance series method of > electrical distribution would have used a tremendous amount of copper > therefore the Swan system could not have been used. If a system cannot be > used even if it works in a laboratory what good is it except for a curiosity? > Steve >> Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 21:29:26 -0400 >> From: bi...@ftldesign.com >> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Dearborn trip--Edison's last breath >> >> On 7/3/2011 8:38 PM, Jim Nichol wrote: >>> I strongly disagree. Yes, Google will tell you that many others worked on >>> the light bulb. But those stories all conclude that none of them were >>> practical. Edison's contribution was not only that he invented the power >>> plant, but more importantly, he invented the first practical incandescent >>> bulb. >> >> The British would disagree: >> >> "In 1850 Swan began working on a light bulb using carbonized paper >> filaments in an evacuated glass bulb. By 1860 he was able to demonstrate >> a working device, and obtained a British patent covering a partial >> vacuum, carbon filament incandescent lamp. However, the lack of a good >> vacuum and an adequate electric source resulted in an inefficient bulb >> with a short lifetime. >> >> "Fifteen years later, in 1875, Swan returned to consider the problem of >> the light bulb with the aid of a better vacuum and a carbonized thread >> as a filament. The most significant feature of Swan's improved lamp was >> that there was little residual oxygen in the vacuum tube to ignite the >> filament, thus allowing the filament to glow almost white-hot without >> catching fire. However, his filament had low resistance, thus needing >> heavy copper wires to supply it.[7] >> >> "Swan received a British patent for his device in 1878, about a year >> before Thomas Edison. >> >> "In America, Edison had been working on copies of the original light >> bulb patented by Swan, trying to make them more efficient. Though Swan >> had beaten him to this goal, Edison obtained patents in America for a >> fairly direct copy of the Swan light, and started an advertising >> campaign which claimed that he was the real inventor. Swan, who was less >> interested in making money from the invention, agreed that Edison could >> sell the lights in America while he retained the rights in Britain." >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Swan >> >> -- >> Bill Burns >> Long Island NY USA >> http://ftldesign.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 18:31:45 -0400 (EDT) From: clockworkh...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Recreating Edison's Inventions... very educational... was Dearborn... Message-ID: <125f1.66fbfaf6.3b439...@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >From tinfoil phonographs to light bulbs, Edison made things that were practical and worked. If one does not realize the difficulty of Edison's inventions then one has not attempted to duplicate them. Has anyone ever played with a reproduction Bell telephone? Mine required shouting so loud that the person in the next room could hear me better through the wall than through the Bell telephone. It was Edison's carbon microphone that made it practical. As a retired Physicist and Physics teacher, I remember fondly of trying to make a tinfoil phonograph using the plans from the Edison Institute Ford Museum. Just the machine tool technology is impressive for today. Has anyone else on this list made a mandrel shaft and feedscrew for a Home, Triumph, or M class? I spent weeks last year doing just that. The 100 thread per inch buttress thread of the feedscrew is not easy to do. The tapered brass mandrel is an odd taper and I had a number of failures before I got one that was perfect. Only a few thousandths of an inch of slop in your taper attac hment and you are in trouble. My reproduction of the original tinfoil machine has never been completed because I became frustrated with my recording and playback styli. Just this week I am seeking the counsel of the most knowledgeable tinfoil expert in the world. When it comes to electric lighting, I have a San Francisco Market Street arc lamp in my collection. It draws 20 Amps at 80 Volts when struck, that's 1,600 Watts, and the carbon rods quickly burn out. Many years ago when teaching electrical circuits I had a setup to place a filament (a term coined by Edison as I recall) inside a bell jar that could be evacuated. Trust me, getting anything to last at incandescent temperatures is not easy, even today with all the knowledge we have. My students then had never given thought to the simple and ubiquitous light bulb. Usually they were enthralled by the warm glow coming from the bell jar. Many phonographic items were invented by Edison but he never got credit for them. Remember when the 'elliptical stylus' was introduced to play stereo LPs and was hailed as a great leap forward? What do you think the contact area of a 1902 Model C sapphire stylus is? Remember the switch from sapphire to diamond styli in the 1960s as playback equipment improved? That too was hailed. Linear tracking? Microgrooves? All the best Independence Day wishes to everyone, Al The price of Freedom is always paid in blood. Thank a veteran today. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 17:58:03 -0500 From: "Ken and Brenda Brekke" <kb...@charter.net> To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Subject: [Phono-L] My Dearborn trip Message-ID: <000001cc3a9d$d4b57500$7e205f00$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks for all the replies related to what to see at Greenfield Village. I never thought this question would spark such a spirited debate. I just wanted to make the most of our Model A Ford trip to Dearborn. It should be a great trip and hopefully we'll find some treasures along the way. Ken Brekke Seeing the countryside at 40 mph in our trusty ol' Ford. Now let's not start a debate thread on how fast a Model A should be able to go. I just prefer to take it easy on all the backroads. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 10:04:45 +1000 From: "Michael Tucker" <mtuc...@exemail.com.au> To: "Phono-L Post" <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Message-ID: <000d01cc3aa7$2602f820$7208e860$@com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Having just made a batch of half nuts for Homes and Triumphs I respectfully submit that Home and Triumph leadscrews do not have a buttress thread, but are 60 degree V threads. Took a bit of research as there are contemporary reports that a buttress thread was used, but close inspection under a microscope clearly show the V form. If anyone is in need of a quality 3/16" or 1/4" half nut in steel with correct size machine screws, they are available at $20 and $24 respectively, including postage. Hope I haven't stirred up the proverbial hornet's nest. Mike Tucker (mtuc...@exemail.com.au) ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 20:29:11 -0400 From: Steven Medved <steve_nor...@msn.com> To: Phono-l <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Recreating Edison's Inventions... very educational... was Dearborn... Message-ID: <col118-w3990982a3286e04c7e8def6...@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I like the yoke assembly of the Model O reproducer with the tiny 0000-160 screw that goes into the stylus bar and holds on the washer with .019 arms that no one makes today because it is too complicated. 100 years later one would assume those items would be easily made. Steve > From: clockworkh...@aol.com > Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 18:31:45 -0400 > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: [Phono-L] Recreating Edison's Inventions... very educational... was > Dearborn... > > >From tinfoil phonographs to light bulbs, Edison made things that were > practical and worked. > > If one does not realize the difficulty of Edison's inventions then one has > not attempted to duplicate them. Has anyone ever played with a reproduction > Bell telephone? Mine required shouting so loud that the person in the next > room could hear me better through the wall than through the Bell telephone. > It was Edison's carbon microphone that made it practical. > > As a retired Physicist and Physics teacher, I remember fondly of trying to > make a tinfoil phonograph using the plans from the Edison Institute Ford > Museum. Just the machine tool technology is impressive for today. Has anyone > else on this list made a mandrel shaft and feedscrew for a Home, Triumph, or > M class? I spent weeks last year doing just that. The 100 thread per inch > buttress thread of the feedscrew is not easy to do. The tapered brass > mandrel is an odd taper and I had a number of failures before I got one that > was > perfect. Only a few thousandths of an inch of slop in your taper attac > hment and you are in trouble. My reproduction of the original tinfoil machine > has never been completed because I became frustrated with my recording and > playback styli. Just this week I am seeking the counsel of the most > knowledgeable tinfoil expert in the world. > > When it comes to electric lighting, I have a San Francisco Market Street > arc lamp in my collection. It draws 20 Amps at 80 Volts when struck, that's > 1,600 Watts, and the carbon rods quickly burn out. Many years ago when > teaching electrical circuits I had a setup to place a filament (a term coined > by > Edison as I recall) inside a bell jar that could be evacuated. Trust me, > getting anything to last at incandescent temperatures is not easy, even today > with all the knowledge we have. My students then had never given thought to > the simple and ubiquitous light bulb. Usually they were enthralled by the > warm glow coming from the bell jar. > > Many phonographic items were invented by Edison but he never got credit for > them. Remember when the 'elliptical stylus' was introduced to play stereo > LPs and was hailed as a great leap forward? What do you think the contact > area of a 1902 Model C sapphire stylus is? Remember the switch from sapphire > to diamond styli in the 1960s as playback equipment improved? That too was > hailed. Linear tracking? Microgrooves? > > All the best Independence Day wishes to everyone, > > Al > The price of Freedom is always paid in blood. Thank a veteran today. > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 18:35:02 -0600 From: "jkship" <jks...@bresnan.net> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] VTLA wheel casters Message-ID: <43F0E48E73274D9BB6CA6443AA864E81@SHIPLEYSDELL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Dave, I am sort of new at this and ignorant as well. Here is a couple of JPegs of what the housing looks like. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dazer" <dda...@sbcglobal.net> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] VTLA wheel casters Were they only used on the VTLA? I just parted out a VV-XIV and saved those casters and related parts. In fact, they are still attached to the legs. Let me know if that would be of any use to you. Dave --- On Mon, 7/4/11, jkship <jks...@bresnan.net> wrote: From: jkship <jks...@bresnan.net> Subject: [Phono-L] VTLA wheel casters To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, July 4, 2011, 3:56 PM I am trying to locate a set of four "ball bearing type wheel casters" for an early VTLA. The part is a brass cup with a pressed on shoulder. The small end of the cup slides up into the leg of the phonograph. In the bottom of one of the cups is the remnant of a ball bearing ring. The open end of the cup has a distinct crimp that I assume held the wheel. Obviously, the three parts I have are missing the wheel assembly. I checked with George and Ron to no avail... Thanks _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of jkship Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 3:56 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] VTLA wheel casters I am trying to locate a set of four "ball bearing type wheel casters" for an early VTLA. The part is a brass cup with a pressed on shoulder. The small end of the cup slides up into the leg of the phonograph. In the bottom of one of the cups is the remnant of a ball bearing ring. The open end of the cup has a distinct crimp that I assume held the wheel. Obviously, the three parts I have are missing the wheel assembly. I checked with George and Ron to no avail... Thanks _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 22:03:36 -0400 (EDT) From: clockworkh...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison feedscrew on mandrel shaft... Triumph, M, Home... Message-ID: <8ce08cee25c5a6c-218c-28...@webmail-m171.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" G'day Mike: Very interesting but the M feedscrew I had to duplicate was examined under an optical comparator and there was no doubt the thread of the original 1892 part was a 45? buttress thread. The depth of the thread is only 0.007" so the lathe setup is crucial. I will have to check the later threads but the one I did had a buttress thread and the halfnut was likewise set. It would make sense to have a buttress thread at 100 threads per inch with the 'strong' direction pushing the halfnut and carriage to the right. At 100 tpi the thread height for any thread should be uncomfortably small. On yours was the thread a 'normal' V thread that was not directional? What was the depth of thread? It is good to see you on the list. I hope all is well with you. My wife and I have a planned vacation down under. Off list tell me what sights the locals would recommend? Regards, Al ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 20:49:22 -0600 From: "jkship" <jks...@bresnan.net> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] VTLA wheel casters Message-ID: <2CB42914E7134A538D4C0E8B612FB19B@SHIPLEYSDELL> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Ron, Thanks for the lead. I will Google them tomorrow and see what I can find. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron L'Herault" <lhera...@bu.edu> To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] VTLA wheel casters > Van Dykes Restorers has a large selection of casters. You may find > something > very close there. > > Ron L > > -----Original Message----- > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] > On > Behalf Of jkship > Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 3:56 PM > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: [Phono-L] VTLA wheel casters > > I am trying to locate a set of four "ball bearing type wheel casters" for > an > early VTLA. The part is a brass cup with a pressed on shoulder. The small > end of the cup slides up into the leg of the phonograph. In the bottom of > one of the cups is the remnant of a ball bearing ring. The open end of the > cup has a distinct crimp that I assume held the wheel. Obviously, the > three > parts I have are missing the wheel assembly. I checked with George and Ron > to no avail... Thanks > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.901 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3744 - Release Date: 07/04/11 12:35:00 ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 20:08:17 -0700 (PDT) From: john robles <john9...@pacbell.net> To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison feedscrew on mandrel shaft... Triumph, M, Home... Message-ID: <1309835297.12436.yahoomailclas...@web80705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I must agree. I had to have a feedscrew rethreaded some years ago, and the machinist told me he had to use an old lathe of his dad's to make the buttress thread at the correct pitch. Can of worms hereby opened. John Robles --- On Mon, 7/4/11, clockworkh...@aol.com <clockworkh...@aol.com> wrote: From: clockworkh...@aol.com <clockworkh...@aol.com> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison feedscrew on mandrel shaft... Triumph, M, Home... To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, July 4, 2011, 7:03 PM G'day Mike: Very interesting but the M feedscrew I had to duplicate was examined under an optical comparator and there was no doubt the thread of the original 1892 part was a 45? buttress thread.? The depth of the thread is only 0.007" so the lathe setup is crucial.? I will have to check the later threads but the one I did had a buttress thread and the halfnut was likewise set.? It would make sense to have a buttress thread at 100 threads per inch with the 'strong' direction pushing the halfnut and carriage to the right.? At 100 tpi the thread height for any thread should be uncomfortably small. On yours was the thread a 'normal' V thread that was not directional?? What was the depth of thread? It is good to see you on the list.? I hope all is well with you.? My wife and I have a planned vacation down under.? Off list tell me what sights the locals would recommend? 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