Well I'm sorry, but I was wrong about the louvers. All I have is a drawer for one of these beast. No cabinet, louvers or anything else. Picked it up at an auction one time. I was thinking I had the whole top portion of the desk. Thank you, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph 5092 Muskego Dr. Newaygo MI 49337-8556 231-652-5753 www.victroladoctor.com
----- Original Message ----- From: The Farmers To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist But, just replying Yes or No does very little to get the sale going. It just would require a legitimate buyer to have to ask more questions and drags out the process. For a much better response I'd include my phone number, address, when a good time might be to pick it up, plus anything else I might want to add about the item, so then the buyer has all the info they need to determine when/if they want to actually buy it. Another point is if a seller see several responses in their inbox, they pretty much need to determine which one to respond to first in order to avoid having 2 buyers showing up at the same time. I'd respond to whoever seems most interested and might also consider who is located the closest. Someone who just wants to know if it is still available, especially within an hour of when I just listed it, won't hear from me. As I said in an earlier post, none of the 'Is it still available poeple' that I've responded to ever replied back to actually try to buy anything. So my opinion is that if someone just wants to know if it is still available and has no intention of buying it, then the availability of my item is none of their business, so I'm not going to bother just answering Yes or No. --- Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" <[email protected]> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist > The only reply recommended/required to the question "is this item still > available?" is Yes or No. If that pomps the Nigerian scammer reply then > the delete key works well. > > One of the problems with selling just about anything is if you really > intend to sell it you will be in contact with people who you would not > ever know existed or want to associate with. > > As the general population density increases in any market area the pest > density increases proportionally. > > On 10/22/2011 08:45 AM, William Zucca wrote: >> Sure, but what's the point of engaging in discussion with a scam artist. >> Not knowing what was going on the first time this happened to me I did >> just >> that and got a lot of double-talk back from the scammer. >> >> GrnMountainMill >> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Rich<[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> If someone sends you an e-mail question regarding your Craigslist For >>> Sale >>> item you have their e-mail address already, just hit reply, type your >>> answer, and hit send. >>> >>> >>> On 10/22/2011 07:38 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> You are right, anyone with an interest would include a phone number or >>>> email address... this is weird. It sounds like some type of "phishing" >>>> scam >>>> to get your info. >>>> >>>> From: [email protected] >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 23:44:40 -0500 >>>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist >>>>> >>>>> Yes. Here's the complete message I received for something I'm selling >>>>> on >>>>> Craigslist right now: I won't bother responding to it. If 'Liz' was >>>>> really >>>>> interested she'd include her phone # or say a little more to let me >>>>> know >>>>> she >>>>> actually wants it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi! Is this still for sale?! >>>>> Liz >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- Greg >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Vinyl >>>>> Visions"<vinyl.visions@live.**com<[email protected]>> >>>>> To:<[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:56 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I should clarify: when I ask if the item is still available, I at >>>>>> least >>>>>> describe the item that I am inquiring about. Are you guys saying that >>>>>> people just send out random "inquiries" for no reason? >>>>>> >>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:51:46 -0500 >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on >>>>>>> Craigslist >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When selling on Craigslist, I never bother replying to anyone who >>>>>>> just >>>>>>> asks >>>>>>> if it is still available. I used to do that and never sold anything >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> any >>>>>>> of those people anyway. They need to also include SOMETHING that >>>>>>> indicates >>>>>>> they actually read my for sale posting and know what the item is >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> they >>>>>>> are asking about. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- Greg >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Vinyl >>>>>>> Visions"<vinyl.visions@live.**com<[email protected]> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> To:<[email protected]> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 1:57 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on >>>>>>> Craigslist >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Rick, >>>>>>>> I always ask the question: "Is the item still available?" - first. >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>> trust the sellers any more than the buyers and there is absolutely >>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>> point asking other questions about the item if it is not >>>>>>>> available... >>>>>>>> so, >>>>>>>> not all short questions are from scammers. If I was selling >>>>>>>> something, >>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>> not sure that I would necessarily trust someone who didn't ask that >>>>>>>> question. Just another thought for what it's worth... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:54:14 -0400 >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on >>>>>>>>> Craigslist >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When the question is short like "Is the item still available?" >>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>> raised a red flag with me from the beginning. Most inquirers would >>>>>>>>> ask >>>>>>>>> " >>>>>>>>> I see the vicotrola ad on craigslist. The victrola looks very nice >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> me >>>>>>>>> and I am very intereted, but I have a couple questions about the >>>>>>>>> item. >>>>>>>>> What alpha character after the serial numbbers appear on the id >>>>>>>>> plate?" >>>>>>>>> My point is the sincere inquirer would not provide a sort abrupt >>>>>>>>> questio >>>>>>>>> and he or she will use terms foundin your description and then >>>>>>>>> elaborate >>>>>>>>> with their questions. Conartists want to be brief and to the point >>>>>>>>> before >>>>>>>>> going off an scamming others. Just my thougts. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: bruce78rpm<bruce78rpm@comcast.**net<[email protected]>> >>>>>>>>> To: Antique Phonograph List<[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 11:46 am >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on >>>>>>>>> Craigslist >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, I can imagine that given the multitude of scammers and con >>>>>>>>> artists >>>>>>>>> who now >>>>>>>>> ppear to taking over Craigslist, more and more people will be >>>>>>>>> discouraged >>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>> sing it, and the degree of distrust of anyone making inquiries >>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>> continue to >>>>>>>>> ise and rise. Is there a solution ? probably not. There are a 100 >>>>>>>>> times >>>>>>>>> as many >>>>>>>>> s them, as there are those to track them down and stop this >>>>>>>>> nonsense. >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> rom: "William Zucca"<[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> o: "Antique Phonograph List"<[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> ent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 10:50:23 AM >>>>>>>>> ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on >>>>>>>>> Craigslist >>>>>>>>> What a load of crap. I hate those guys. I was confused the first >>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>> ried it with me and I only wonder how many less sophisticated, >>>>>>>>> first-time >>>>>>>>> raigslist sellers give up after not being able to figure out what >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> hell >>>>>>>>> s going on with these messages. >>>>>>>>> Some sellers ask for a phone number from anyone writing to inquire >>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>> tem and say they won't respond without one. I always give my phone >>>>>>>>> number >>>>>>>>> hen inquiring about a sale. >>>>>>>>> These idiots make it harder to buy and sell on craigslist and make >>>>>>>>> raigslist users mistrust everyone else who uses it. Damn them. >>>>>>>>> GrnMountainBill >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 8:43 AM,<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I placed a Victrola for sale on Craigslist today, and almost >>>>>>>>>> immediately I >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> was contacted by two crooks/scammers. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Here is one of the bizarre email I received. I am assuming that >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> certain % >>>>>>>>> of Sellers actually fall for this lunacy, otherwise these con >>>>>>>>> artists >>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>> not be trying it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm making an immediate purchasing on behalf of my client and >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>> receive check payment in excess over the item price. The check >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> already signed, authorized and ready to be cashed. You are >>>>>>>>> receiving >>>>>>>>> over payment because it includes shipper's fee, commission along >>>>>>>>> side >>>>>>>>> due payments. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, expect pickup because you are not expected to ship. I >>>>>>>>> understand >>>>>>>>> that you will only allow the shipping company to pickup from >>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>> location after you might have received the check. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In addition, the check will be sent as soon as you agree with me >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> deduct your earnings and send the balance through western union >>>>>>>>> office >>>>>>>>> or location. Kindly get back to me ASAP with your full name, >>>>>>>>> address >>>>>>>>> and phone# as it will be written on the check. 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