On Sun, 20 May 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> This project seems rather dead to me. Though, I think it should be
> continued. Some work was alread been done.
Yeah, it should be very nice to have a spec, so that others can implement
an alternative for the Zend engine (/me hides)
>
> I would like to try to reanimate it. I think, like Sacha I think, that a
> spec should be quite exact and precise.
It's Sascha, not Sacha.
> Zend was made without a proper specification, something they try to hammer
> all first-year students at my university you should NEVER do that.
And how do you know this? Did you ask Zeev or Andi about this? Afterall,
Zend is a new implementation for the language that was in PHP/FI and PHP3.
It does comply (almost) with these two versions.
>
> It is very annoying to have to specify all quirks, I think it is most
> practical to document it the way it should be, and then note whereever it
> goes wrong.
Sure, but if you want to change these 'quirks' you are gonna break lots of
scripts that rely on those. Not an option I would think.
<snip>
> Then, IMO the next step would be to make zend comply to the specs, finally
> making version 4.1 as some people seem to want.
'to make zend comply to the specs'
Are you going to break the backwards compability?
> And THEN you can publish the spec. With the current quirky behaviour, PHP
> won't be seen as a well and neatly specified and LOGIC language, but rather
> as some potpourri (mixup) of other languages.
>
> But before I start, I want to know your opinions nowadays...
> And, I really need (=want) to know whether Zend WILL go comply to the new
> spec.
My guess is no here, BC is the word.
<snip>
> (by the way, I came onto this trying to document the language properly, but
> that is really hard to do... if you want it to have as exact as possible)
> (BTW2: zend-cvs discussion? where are the archives? and is there web-cvs for
> zend somewhere?)
Zend CVS needs no discussion on it's own, all discussion is done on
php-dev.
>
> SUMMARY:
> - spec framework made (sacha?, myself?)
> - spec made, as how it should work, so close as possible to PHP, but in case
> of quirks, just a logic behaviour.
> (Anyone who wants. Myself included)
> WITH notes where zend does something strange.
I think it would be better to document the current language as is, make
notes about the quirks, see what can be done about those. And if there can
be done something about these quirks without messing stuff up, change it
in Zend (if it is possible).
regards,
Derick Rethans
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