Manuel Lemos wrote: >Hello Rasmus, > >Rasmus Resen Amossen wrote: > >>>Sure. Modify the Zend Engine so that it can be told to write the parsed >>> >>Cut... >> >>Yeah! That's more like it! Thnx body! >> >>More ideas are welcome. >> > >You have just hit one of PHP limitations, the ability provide marketable >value to developers efforts. > >Unlike other languages, there is no officially supported and affordable >way to sell applications in binary format, when for other languages that >is a trivial thing. No wonder there are so many PHP users moving to the >Java world. > Could you do me a favor? Please, follow the trend and move off this list and on to the java world.
> > >Sure there is Zend Encoder, but at USD $2400!?!? Get out of here! IMHO >that ridiculous pricing only stands because there are no direct >competitors to Zend Encoder. > >I am sure that makes sense for Zend company business model, but that is >no good for the PHP community. Regardless the fact PHP is Open Source >and so it is free, developing properly supported applications with it >also takes a long time and the time and skill of the developers > so, move on to java, or whatever. Heck, you can use byte-code there, for free... :) > >necessary to do it is not free because people just don't live from the >air they breathe. > >So, PHP needs urgently a standalone compiler before more and more people >give up on it. What is silly, is that there is already enough free code >to do it that just needs to glued and shipped properly. > so, give up on it and move on. Or write one yourself if it is that easy. No-one prevents you from doing so. > > >Of course there are always those Open Source die hards that will hit on >you, as you already noticed, just because you suggested that PHP could >be used for developing closed source applications. Never mind them, they >are so obcessed with the idea that all code must be shared that they >will hardly tolerate that people try to survive by developing closed >source PHP applications > > > >The way I see it, the truth is that if people can't make a living from >developing commercial applications in PHP, they will switch to another >language. If people want to give their code away to other people, fine, >but it is also fine if people want to sell it because intellectual >property is a personal matter to those that create it. > So, give up on php and move on to java :) > > >Anyway, a free/affordable standalone PHP compiler only did not happen >because there was not enough critical mass to do it the way it is >needed. > uh? critical mass? in terms of people? or effort? or what? Since it is easy to do, write one yourself and maintain it. I bet phpbinarycompiler.sourceforge.net is available... > > >I have a personal project that aims to bring Web applications >*unchanged* to standalone desktop computers (no Web server, no >networking) that will let PHP enlarge its market scope to outside the >Internet. That project partially overlaps with a project to develop a >standalone PHP compiler that can be used to protect the code of those >that want to sell it. > > > >So, if you or anybody else are interested to join the effort, please >mail me privately. > Does this have anything to do with php-dev? no. Please, take this off the list then. > > >I don't advise you to follow-up this subject here. I sense that this is >not an issue that some people will want to discuss and promote here. On >one side you have Open Source die hards that do not want anybody from >profiting from closed source PHP applications. On the other side there >is Zend people that are trying to make very high profits of their Zend >Encoder and any competitor project could compromise the ability to >continue to profit so much from each Zend Encoder license. So, I don't >advise anybody to follow-up to not suffer from the typical hostility >that sometimes leads to threats to be taken off the list. > Zend is a commercial entity. Hence, they can sell whatever they want for however much they want, right? They earn billions? Good for them. This is none of your business though.:( PHP is opensource. Hence, if you want to improve it in a certain way, WRITE CODE! You can't force opensource developers to write certain code. They write it whenever they see fit whatever they think is needed, or not write it at all. If you want a scrambler, write one. Now, on to hostility. The hostility comes from you abusing the mailing list. Your posts have nothing to do with the development of PHP. Rather, they have to do with you disliking PHP developers personally, stating that zend sucks, php sucks, telling people to use another language, saying that people with @php.net abuse their power, whatever that is, etc.etc. That's not what the list is for though. You might prove me wrong, because I do not follow the list 100% of the time, but, at least from what I have seen recently, have I seen any code from you? No. Any patches? No. Any bugs reported? No. Ranting about bugs not being fixed a certain way? Yes. Complaining that a certain feature or lack of thereof prevents wide acceptance of PHP? Yes. Complaining that people (e.g. derick) are hostile to you after bugging them for a long time? Yes. Posting off-topic stuff (like this email)? Yes. So, what's the value of you posting to the list? Zero. The level of my frustration when I get garbage from you in my INBOX? Moderate-to-High, and I never even directly talked to you - that's the first time. Today it was more towards the 'High' part, so I wrote this. Conclusion. Since your suggestions are, apparently, not welcomed all that much, your contributions are zero, and you don't like php, zend, and people on this list, why bother subscribing to it? Please, do yourself and others a favor and unsubscribe. And move on to java. Vlad P.S. Manuel, please understand that I have nothing against you, for I don't even know who you are. But from what I have seen on the list, your messages are rather far from constructive. I do expect messages on php-dev to be about the development of php, and be constructive. Since yours are not, I figured I should bring it to your attention, because they are getting me a bit too frustrated lately. I'm not trying to be hostile, I am just bringing to your attention the fact that you are frustrating a heck of a lot of people, and might not even be realizing it. So, I figured I'd save you some trouble and suggest that you move on from php to a language that better suits your needs and developers that are more friendly towards you. Take care... -- Vlad Krupin Software Engineer echospace.com -- PHP Development Mailing List <http://www.php.net/> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
