On Fri, 31 May 2002, brad lafountain wrote:

[...]

> Why do you feel that bundling is such a burdon and how does it requires more
> testing. If libxml release a new release and it is decited to upgrade then
> simply upgrade. I don't understand why you think its such a burdon. It looks
> like they are releasing a version once a month. I don't really think a hour of
> a developers time a month is much of a burdon. 

It requires testing because it is yet another piece of code that needs to 
be nice to the configure system, and has to play nice with other libraries 
that might have linked in libxml.

> Besides the fact that i don't think we need to upgrade everytime libxml
> upgrades. If we bundle the newest one right now php and all of it's xmlbased
> extensions will work fine. if a new one gets released... so.... if we (php
> group) feels that its worth the upgrade then go we do it. Otherwise if an end
> users feels it is in his best intrest to get the newest version the by all
> means he can. Im not saying that we need to force a version on them but give
> them a hand if they don't have any installed.

Of course not, but the libxml library has a lot of important bug fixes [1] 
too with every release, and I'd rather have a version with less bugs than 
the PHP bundled one.

[1] http://www.xmlsoft.org/news.html

> 
> But one thing that I didn't think of that andy pointed out is. The ability for
> php/zend's core or extensions to use xml. (ie config files for new extensions
> that are separate from php.ini) Xml is so widley used everywhere. You want
> proof that xml is widly used??? Are you serious? What kinda comapany do you
> work for? We pretty much use xml and xml based techonlogies in 90% of our
> projects.

I indeed like to see some proof that it is used so widely. You state that 
XML is widely used, but I really think that this is only true for a small 
part of the people who work with PHP. This does not mean I don't see value 
in XML, it's certainly usefull... but that doesn't warrant bundling it and 
enforcing it for users who don't want or need it.

Derick

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