On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Zeev Suraski wrote: > Strong opposition for changing this default from my end, if only for the > fact I'll be scared to show up in any PHP conference, fearing the wrath of > angered users. > > Also see numerous past posts from me, Andi and others about why changing a > number in the version doesn't give us a "carte blanche" to break > compatibility. Compatibility breakage is cumulative - the more you break, > the harder it is to adapt.
Although I hate those short tag thingies, I'm still -1 on changing this (i show up on conferences too :) Derick > At 10:36 15/10/2002, Dan Hardiker wrote: > > >>> Thousands of programmers use short tags in their scripts, but only > > >>> hundreds can't change this setting in php.ini manually. > > > > > > M> Wrong... Many webhosting companies won't allow customers to change > > > M> php.ini, and my experiences with php_set_ini() aren't too good. > > > > > > yep, many of hostings don't allow this. > > > but in 99% XML on such hostings is not allowed too. > > > > > > I think you shouldn't do the wrong thing if someone does... > > > >Your missing the point of my suggestion. Im not suggesting we switch it > >off by default, Im suggesting we *remove* the feature. > > > >As the XML community expands and more and more scripting languages (server > >and client side) are being designed to interoperate, cross-language > >compatability (or at least handling) is required. > > > >The short tag <? is bad form, and shows lazyness. <?php fits the standard, > >and its my recommendation that (in version 5 of the product) the sort tag > >option is removed. > > > >Yes - this will break *alot* of sloppy scripts (including scripts taking > >the short cut <?= instead of <?php echo). However, a very simple > >sh/sed/awk script could be written that scans a directory tree and > >converts all .php files to .php5 files. > > > >Note: this script could also check for other cross version problems that > >may arrise. > > > >My *key* point is that come the upgrade jump from v4 to v5 people will > >*expect* major differences - otherwise it would just be another step in > >the v4 tree. Major upgrades are one of the few times you can make major > >modifications to the structure of a system without users whinging. > > > >I am still -1 on anything being changed for v4 in respect to short tags, > >but +1 on as much as possible being done in v5 to eradicate short tags. > > > > > >-- > >Dan Hardiker [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >ADAM Software & Systems Engineer > >First Creative Ltd > > > > > > > >-- > >PHP Development Mailing List <http://www.php.net/> > >To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > -- > PHP Development Mailing List <http://www.php.net/> > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Derick Rethans http://derickrethans.nl/ JDI Media Solutions --------------[ if you hold a unix shell to your ear, do you hear the c? ]- -- PHP Development Mailing List <http://www.php.net/> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
