> It's interesting to me that this topic is brought up again and again 
> about once every 3 or 4 months.  The same points are rehashed each 
> time, and the same result is reached, nothing is changed about 
> mbstring.  I believe this is partially because developers ask questions 
> about mbstring, and receive no definitive answer to them (see the 
> archives for a few examples).

I'm rather new to this list though, I agree with you, actually too few 
information about the extension is provided, especially about what mbstring 
developers(including me) have done, and are doing. And I still doubt the 
separated development(both here and at sf.jp) was the best choice.

> 
> Historically, I have been against mbstring being enabled by default.  
> My feelings towards anything being enabled by default, unless it is 
> considered core functionality, is pretty negative though.

The reasoning to consider a extension as a part of core, is prone 
to be obscure. It's interesting what would happen if mysql extension turned 
out to be harmful.

Moriyoshi

Dan Kalowsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> On the flip side though, what exactly were these concerns brought up at 
> the PHP Conference?  Is it possible to share them with those of us who 
> were not able to attend?  Please include as much detail as possible.
> 
> 
> 
> On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 01:06 AM, Moriyoshi Koizumi wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > Now the transparent encoding conversion is disabled by default, and so 
> > is
> > the function overloading. And the extension is not likely to cause any 
> > harm
> > to other tests; recently some test failures related to output handlers 
> > were
> > reported in fact, but the problem have been properly avoided.
> >
> > Then why do we even have to continue the same discussion? Is it the 
> > big deal
> > how many people use mbstring? Now mbstring is not just for CJK people,
> > because it also offers numerous unicode functionality. 
> > mb_convert_case(),
> > contributed by Wez, is one of the examples.
> >
> > Besides I wonder why such dangerousness has not been warned up to now 
> > if
> > that's the case.
> >
> >
> > Moriyoshi
> >
> > Andrei Zmievski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> At the PHP Conference in Germany several of us have discussed the
> >> current state of mbstring and there was a proposal to not have it
> >> enabled by default for 4.3.0 release. It seems that the extension
> >> attempts to do "magic" stuff by overloading functions in the executor
> >> globals and, as Thies said, that could be dangerous. Also, doesn't it
> >> affect run-tests.php script currently?
> >>
> >> Comments are welcome.
> >>
> >> -Andrei                                       
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