Ok, I can't be bothered to fight a mailing list that was supposed to trim down endless discussions. I'm not the one that asked for the list, but I definitely supported it, as unlike most of the members on this list, I remember the pre-v4 days, and what kind of mountains we had to push in order to get it released half a year after it was ready. But as you said, no matter what valid reasons there are for having this list, we got to a situation where the fuzzy feeling will always outweigh the logic, and nobody will ever be able to persuade anybody otherwise. Whatever, let's end the list.

Piotr - we'll call back mid 2005!

Zeev

At 19:31 23/01/2003, Dan Kalowsky wrote:
Then discontinue it. End of discussion.

This is an open source project, and I see little to no-advantage to it's use outside of creating a rather vile aftertaste in the mouths of those developers who are not "invited".

I've heard the arguments for the list, and I can only say they are valid reasons. But you're now making PHP a political project rather than a software project. Thanks. This is the sort of thing I don't want to have to deal with in my personal time. If you want a private list, take PHP out of the Open Source. If you want to cut down on the signal/noise ratio then moderate the list, but don't make it private and invite only.

Zeev no matter how you see it or say it, the inclusion of members into a "private" mailing list is an exclusive ranking. You may claim otherwise, but all such claims by members of such group will more than likely be disregarded.



On Thursday, January 23, 2003, at 11:38 AM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:

I had nothing to do with that limited php5 list.  I thought that was
completely bogus myself and argued against it.
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