Hello, First up I am not in favor of expulsion because even if you agree that Paul is “toxic”, I doubt that a standards committee will really remain relevant if it cannot deal with supposedly “toxic” people, ie. we would need to find other solutions for this. Also even if he is no longer a member of FIG, would he then get banned from all list?
Now I do agree that Paul’s communication style is collides with the discussion style with the vast majority of the rest of the members and observers. Which in turn leads to frustration and as stated people leaving FIG. And this is clearly not good. I would urge (and have done so already in the past) that Paul (and anyone else) attempt to deal with “politics” or “administrative” concerns in a bilateral fashion first before launching a discussion thread here. As such the first thing I did when I read the original post was the ask Michael if there were off-list attempts as resolving or at least improving the situation. it seems there has been, which I appreciate quite a lot. Now I of course do not mean that we need to play shadow politics by lots of off-list lobbying but minor issues (like the not counting of the vote) imho could have probably be solved by a direct message to one of the secretaries, they could have then posted a single message apologizing (potentially noting who informed them) and we would have saved all of us 30+ increasingly aggressive messages. I would also urge Paul to invest a bit of time in reviewing his messages for simple courtesy and more actively self-throttle (it is sad that the secretaries need to threaten with temporary bans when people do not follow this, but I fear its necessary as a way to train proper behavior). I know this is a technical committee, we are not here to become best friends. But we are also humans who do not get paid to be here that are motivated to make the PHP world a better place but also have lots of other places we could invest our energy into. I have given Paul examples of this in a previous off-list exchange already. In the same way I also urge people to work towards accepting Paul as someone that communicates on a very technical and abstract level. he is driven by technology, not by making other people lives miserable. regards, Lukas Kahwe Smith [email protected] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "PHP Framework Interoperability Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/php-fig/54601395-79A9-4247-94F7-7D1B6F6F80CA%40pooteeweet.org. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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