php-general Digest 8 Jun 2005 09:28:25 -0000 Issue 3500
Topics (messages 216573 through 216602):
Re: The "goto" discussion on the Internals List
216573 by: Robert Cummings
216576 by: Jay Blanchard
216578 by: John Nichel
216579 by: Robert Cummings
216580 by: Jay Blanchard
Re: How to execute local applications on the client
216574 by: Matthew Weier O'Phinney
216577 by: John Nichel
216597 by: Rory Browne
216600 by: Matthew Weier O'Phinney
Re: Unit testing ?
216575 by: Matthew Weier O'Phinney
Re: linux php editor
216581 by: Miguel Guirao
looking for php/guru/drinking partners!
216582 by: bruce
handling spanish accents
216583 by: Graham Anderson
curl
216584 by: Jon
216585 by: Mikey
Beautiful HTML Invoice -> Prints like crap! I need some suggestions!
216586 by: Matt Babineau
216587 by: Jack Jackson
216588 by: Jack Jackson
216589 by: Matt Babineau
216591 by: Ligaya Turmelle
216592 by: Marek Kilimajer
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216590 by: Sebastian
216594 by: David Duong
216595 by: David Duong
216596 by: Rory Browne
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[Announce] Call For Papers: php|works and web|works
216599 by: Davey Shafik
Re: Displaying an Outlook Calendar on a webpage using PHP
216601 by: Justin.Baiocchi.csiro.au
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On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 10:50, Jay Blanchard wrote:
> [snip]
> Goto has (I believe) been described as a method of shooting yourself
> in both feet at the same time.
> [/snip]
>
> goto (not a 'new' construct as was mentioned earlier) had its uses, but
> thos would seem depricated now as you can call a function, which is
> essentially what a goto did. Consider;
>
> if('foo' == $bar){
> goto(1001); //essentially a line number (remember, old school)
> OR goto(LABEL); //defined constant
> } else {
> goto(2001);
> }
Absolutely nobody in this day and age advocated "goto <lineNumber>". The
only use to have useful advantage is "goto <labelName>" and of course
that is where the <labelName> exists within the current execution scope.
A function call is not an acceptable replacement since you incure the
overhead of setting up the function and the stack. Contrast the
difference in speed between "is_null( $foo )" and "$foo === null".
>
> VS.
>
> if('foo' == $bar){
> assimilate($bar);
> } else {
> anhylate($bar);
> }
>
>
> Where problems arose from goto they would arise from function use as
> well. Nesting goto's was every bit as challenging as properly
> constructing regex statements. goto also did not fit as well with OOP
> methodology, being more of a procedural construct in accordance with the
> procedural programming at the time that it was conceived.
PHP has never purported to be an OOP only language. It advocates both
procedural and OOP programming methodologies. Just ask Richard Lynch :)
Cheers,
Rob.
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[snip]
Absolutely nobody in this day and age advocated "goto <lineNumber>". The
only use to have useful advantage is "goto <labelName>" and of course
that is where the <labelName> exists within the current execution scope.
A function call is not an acceptable replacement since you incure the
overhead of setting up the function and the stack. Contrast the
difference in speed between "is_null( $foo )" and "$foo === null".
[/snip]
The speed difference is negligible though, in this day and age,
dependent upon how much hair-splitting you would care to do. You're
still setting aside a block of code which will have to be parsed and you
incur the same setup if the goto section is the same code as the
function. The overhead is introduced in the calling of the function. But
we're splitting hairs here :)
[snip]
PHP has never purported to be an OOP only language. It advocates both
procedural and OOP programming methodologies. Just ask Richard Lynch :)
[/snip]
I never said that PHP was OOP only, I was just pointing out how,
historically, the goto was depricated.
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Jay Blanchard wrote:
<snip>
The speed difference is negligible though, in this day and age,
dependent upon how much hair-splitting you would care to do. You're
still setting aside a block of code which will have to be parsed and you
incur the same setup if the goto section is the same code as the
function. The overhead is introduced in the calling of the function. But
we're splitting hairs here :)
</snip>
Ah, but goto isn't really the same as a function. Functions are along
the lines of gosub.
*not to be left out on the splitting of hairs ;)
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On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 14:26, John Nichel wrote:
> Jay Blanchard wrote:
> <snip>
> > The speed difference is negligible though, in this day and age,
> > dependent upon how much hair-splitting you would care to do. You're
> > still setting aside a block of code which will have to be parsed and you
> > incur the same setup if the goto section is the same code as the
> > function. The overhead is introduced in the calling of the function. But
> > we're splitting hairs here :)
> </snip>
>
> Ah, but goto isn't really the same as a function. Functions are along
> the lines of gosub.
>
> *not to be left out on the splitting of hairs ;)
A more realistic speed hit is the fact that using if/elseif/else or
switch statements requires on average an O( n ) lookup, whereas a proper
goto implemention is O( 1 ). Now I'll give you you could do an label to
function map and use that instead, but that's still O( lg n ).
Cheers,
Rob.
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[snip]
A more realistic speed hit is the fact that using if/elseif/else or
switch statements requires on average an O( n ) lookup, whereas a proper
goto implemention is O( 1 ). Now I'll give you you could do an label to
function map and use that instead, but that's still O( lg n ).
[/snip]
Ah the good old days, when calculating clock cycles was done more than
punching cards. (Fortran flashback!)
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* Mauricio Pellegrini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Some one has asked me to set a web page from within wich users could
> launch local applications. Those applications are allready installed in
> the client PC.
>
> The link on the web page would act as a simple link to start the
> application.
system()
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Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote:
* Mauricio Pellegrini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Some one has asked me to set a web page from within wich users could
launch local applications. Those applications are allready installed in
the client PC.
The link on the web page would act as a simple link to start the
application.
system()
No, that won't work. system() will execute a command on the server, not
the client.
There is no 'true' way to launch all applications on the client in php.
You could however make the client launch things like Word and Excel by
sending the proper headers. But this may not work on all, ex if you
send a header to simulate a Word document, and the client has OO set as
the handler for *.doc, it's going to open OO and not MS Word.
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Sort of. There are two ways to do this(that I can think of, and
neither of them are too reliable. Consider this: how would you like if
any random website, could run any program they liked on your computer?
This could range from word/excel, to less amicable programs like ones
that control your speakers/microphone, etc.
Having that said, you can use nsiProcess(in netscape/gecko based
browsers.), or wsh for MSIE. I'm not sure exactly how to do this. I
just remember reading some code that needed this. On
netscape/mozilla/gecko you'll have to tell the script to override the
security preventing this(the user will be shown a dialog box, asking
them to confirm this). I'm not sure what the situation is with MSIE,
but expect to encounter some security issues.
I don't know any examples for nsIProcess off-hand, but you can check
out the PHUI Code for an example on doing this on MSIE.
On 6/7/05, Mauricio Pellegrini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi, sorry if what I am asking makes no sense, but here it goes..
>
> Some one has asked me to set a web page from within wich users could
> launch local applications. Those applications are allready installed in
> the client PC.
>
> The link on the web page would act as a simple link to start the
> application.
>
> This page would be something that resembles the windows desktop with all
> its links on it.
>
> My question is would it be possible to start in example word or excel
> from a link in a web page?
>
> Thanks for your answers
> Mauricio
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* John Nichel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :
> Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote:
> > * Mauricio Pellegrini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :
> >
> > > Some one has asked me to set a web page from within wich users could
> > > launch local applications. Those applications are allready installed in
> > > the client PC.
> > >
> > > The link on the web page would act as a simple link to start the
> > > application.
> >
> >
> > system()
>
> No, that won't work. system() will execute a command on the server, not
> the client.
Absolutely correct. Mea culpa.
I use PHP on my machine all the time for running scripts, and so the
line between server and workstation is often blurred. Even then, I
probably wouldn't want system() launching a desktop application, even if
I called sudo first to switch to the appropriate user.
Thanks for catching this!
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* mbneto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :
> Thanks for the reply. Your email confirmed what I've read/thought
> about the tests.
>
> I'll look this SimpleTest even tough PHPUnit2 seems to do the job fine.
Use the unit testing framework with which you are most comfortable; the
ideas remain the same, just the details differ.
> If you have more info (like books, urls, examples) please send me.
Unfortunately, no. Most of this is personal experience, a little of it
was garnered from php|Tropics, and that portion wasn't an official part
of Jason Sweat's presentation.
> On 6/2/05, Matthew Weier O'Phinney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > * mbneto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :
> > > I am trying the phpunit2 for unit testing but the examples found in
> > > the documentation are few and do not address, for example, tests when
> > > database access is involved.
> > >
> > > Perhaps this belongs to a more general question (i.e strategies for
> > > unit testing) so any urls, docs would be great.
> >
> > Jason Sweat covered this at php|Tropics, using SimpleTest as the unit
> > testing framework. I use phpt unit tests (developed for testing php
> > itself, and used by the PEAR project for regression tests). The
> > principles are the same regardless of framework, however.
> >
> > The fundamental problem is: your code may depend on the results of a DB
> > operation -- it's primary purpose may even be to perform a DB operation.
> > While you can test the code, you still need to test whether or not your
> > code can successfully perform the DB operation as well. A common problem
> > I find is that I'm building SQL on the fly -- and that process may build
> > shoddy SQL. It may be building exactly what I designed it to do, but the
> > RDBMS will never be able to actually utilize the SQL I build. Tests can
> > help catch these issues.
<snip -- full explanation>
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Yeah, maybe JM is correct!!
Thanks!!!
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From: Jim Moseby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Martes, 07 de Junio de 2005 09:43 a.m.
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [PHP] linux php editor
>
> On 6/7/05, Miguel Guirao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Try NVU, from www.nvu.org
>
> I don't see any sort of text editor there.
Try NVU.com
JM
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hi..
we're working on a project.. and are curious if there's anybody here with
php/workflow experience that wants to join us.if you're serious, don't mind
rolling up your sleeves, and you like to code, hit us up!
we've got a few guys who are ready to start writing a bunch of perl apps,
and we need a workflow app to manage this part of the process...
so, if you're serious, let's talk!
thanks
bruce
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is there some kind of accepted way to get Microsoft word text [in
Spanish] into a mysql db
is there some kind of standard str_replace function that works ?
of late I have been hacking one together but did not want to reinvent
the wheel
many thanks
g
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I have not used curl before and it looked interesting from the manual.
So, does anyone have a sample script or a tutorial that covers the logon
procedure.
What I want to do is logon to an asp site and download some files. Can
someone point me in the right direction? I have done some searches on
google but I guess that I have not used the correct key words because I have
not found any hints at how to logon to a site with curl.
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Jon wrote:
I have not used curl before and it looked interesting from the manual.
So, does anyone have a sample script or a tutorial that covers the logon
procedure.
What I want to do is logon to an asp site and download some files. Can
someone point me in the right direction? I have done some searches on
google but I guess that I have not used the correct key words because I have
not found any hints at how to logon to a site with curl.
IIRC phpbuilder.net has just done a tutorial about it....
HTH,
Mikey
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Hi all -
I've got a great html invoice that prints like crap because of my user of
background images and foreground images. Does anyone have any good
suggestions other than turn on images in IE to get this thing to print the
graphics? Is there a good way I could convert the HTML view to a JPG? I'm on
a linux box and have php 4.3.10.
Thanks for the help!
Matt Babineau
Criticalcode
w: http://www.criticalcode.com
p: 858.733.0160
e: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Matt Babineau wrote:
>Hi all -
>
>I've got a great html invoice that prints like crap because of my user of
>background images and foreground images. Does anyone have any good
>suggestions other than turn on images in IE to get this thing to print the
>graphics? Is there a good way I could convert the HTML view to a JPG? I'm on
>a linux box and have php 4.3.10.
>
>Thanks for the help!
>
>Matt Babineau
>Criticalcode
>w: http://www.criticalcode.com
>p: 858.733.0160
>e: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>
Make it a pdf?
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Matt Babineau wrote:
>Hi all -
>
>I've got a great html invoice that prints like crap because of my user of
>background images and foreground images. Does anyone have any good
>suggestions other than turn on images in IE to get this thing to print the
>graphics? Is there a good way I could convert the HTML view to a JPG? I'm on
>a linux box and have php 4.3.10.
>
>Thanks for the help!
>
>Matt Babineau
>Criticalcode
>w: http://www.criticalcode.com
>p: 858.733.0160
>e: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>
Sorry, more helpful: http://us4.php.net/pdf
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Yeah I was considering that...I'm trying the html2pdf site right now. It
seems alright...its choking on my invoice as we speak (lots of html).
Is there a way to make a JPG? I've looked at a few sites from google..most
are activeX...somewhat undersirable. Looking for something I can run on the
server to do the convert work.
Thanks,
Matt Babineau
Criticalcode
w: http://www.criticalcode.com
p: 858.733.0160
e: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Jack Jackson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 3:21 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [PHP] Beautiful HTML Invoice -> Prints like crap! I need
somesuggestions!
Matt Babineau wrote:
>Hi all -
>
>I've got a great html invoice that prints like crap because of my user
>of background images and foreground images. Does anyone have any good
>suggestions other than turn on images in IE to get this thing to print
>the graphics? Is there a good way I could convert the HTML view to a
>JPG? I'm on a linux box and have php 4.3.10.
>
>Thanks for the help!
>
>Matt Babineau
>Criticalcode
>w: http://www.criticalcode.com
>p: 858.733.0160
>e: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>
Make it a pdf?
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create a css just for printing?
Matt Babineau wrote:
Hi all -
I've got a great html invoice that prints like crap because of my user of
background images and foreground images. Does anyone have any good
suggestions other than turn on images in IE to get this thing to print the
graphics? Is there a good way I could convert the HTML view to a JPG? I'm on
a linux box and have php 4.3.10.
Thanks for the help!
Matt Babineau
Criticalcode
w: http://www.criticalcode.com
p: 858.733.0160
e: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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"Life is a game.... so have fun"
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Matt Babineau wrote:
Hi all -
I've got a great html invoice that prints like crap because of my user of
background images and foreground images. Does anyone have any good
suggestions other than turn on images in IE to get this thing to print the
graphics? Is there a good way I could convert the HTML view to a JPG? I'm on
a linux box and have php 4.3.10.
make css for print media:
@media print {
/* style sheet for print goes here */
}
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/media.html
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i'm looking for a function that can highlight certain search terms in a
string. anyone have something already made that i can plugin to my
exisiting code?
I found a couple but they do not work very well.. some break html code
if the string contains the keywords in the html.
thanks.
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Sebastian wrote:
i'm looking for a function that can highlight certain search terms in a
string. anyone have something already made that i can plugin to my
exisiting code?
I found a couple but they do not work very well.. some break html code
if the string contains the keywords in the html.
thanks.
You can use str_replace to "highlight" the search terms.
For example, you could use the following code for each search term (this
function also accepts arrays, see http://php.net/str_replace):
str_replace ($search_term, "<b>$search_term</b>", $body_text);
- David
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David Duong wrote:
Sebastian wrote:
i'm looking for a function that can highlight certain search terms in
a string. anyone have something already made that i can plugin to my
exisiting code?
I found a couple but they do not work very well.. some break html code
if the string contains the keywords in the html.
thanks.
You can use str_replace to "highlight" the search terms.
For example, you could use the following code for each search term (this
function also accepts arrays, see http://php.net/str_replace):
str_replace ($search_term, "<b>$search_term</b>", $body_text);
- David
I forgot to mention that if you wanted to have a highlighting effect,
you will need to use stylesheets.
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On 6/8/05, David Duong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sebastian wrote:
> > i'm looking for a function that can highlight certain search terms in a
> > string. anyone have something already made that i can plugin to my
> > exisiting code?
> >
> > I found a couple but they do not work very well.. some break html code
> > if the string contains the keywords in the html.
> >
> > thanks.
> You can use str_replace to "highlight" the search terms.
>
> For example, you could use the following code for each search term (this
> function also accepts arrays, see http://php.net/str_replace):
>
> str_replace ($search_term, "<b>$search_term</b>", $body_text);
Bad idea. Very bad idea.
for example ( using bold to highlight ):
<?pseudo_code
$html = "<html><body>I want to hightlight the word body in this text.
</body></html>";
$search = "body";
$output = str_replace($search, "<b>$search</b>", $html);
// $output == "<html><<b>body</b>>I want to hightlight the word
<b>body</b> in this text. </<b>body</b>></html>";
// see what I mean?
?>
>
> - David
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Hi All,
I would like to inform you about the new php|works and web|works[1]
conferences.
The publishers of php|architect magazine[2] have announced php|works and
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To be honest I am not sure where the code is failing - it is starting
Outlook.exe on the server so I assume it is able to instantiate the COM
application (I think that is what it is called!).
If I stop the page load and do a 'view source' all I see is
<html></html> and nothing else. The Outlook.exe process also remains
running on the server and has to be killed with Task Manager.
However, when run from the command line the script WORKS!!! What can
that mean?
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 June 2005 12:33 AM
To: [email protected]
Cc: Baiocchi, Justin (CSIRO IT, Armidale)
Subject: RE: [PHP] Displaying an Outlook Calendar on a webpage using PHP
Sorry, wasn't able to test this when I got home. But to clearify, when
you use COM, it's loading Outlook (as you've seen) and then talking
directly to it. So you don't need an exchange server to make it work.
Try tracing through the code and see where it's failing. And nothing's
showing up when you do "View source" (I know you said it's continuously
running but curious what happens if you stop the page load and see
what's been output)? Have you tried running the script via command
line?
I'd be curious to see how far the script gets for you before it bombs
out. It might be trying to tell Outlook to do something and just
hanging (hence the perpetual loading in your browser) which is why I'm
wondering how far it gets and what happens if you run it via
command-line.
More info would definitely be appreciated.
-TG
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