php-general Digest 4 Dec 2007 02:59:01 -0000 Issue 5162
Topics (messages 265408 through 265440):
Calendar
265408 by: Emil Edeholt
265409 by: Richard Heyes
Re: 5.2.5 failed 7 tests
265410 by: Daniel Brown
265413 by: Bill
265415 by: Daniel Brown
265416 by: Bill
265417 by: Daniel Brown
Re: Structured Code vs. Performance
265411 by: Martin Alterisio
calculate a varchar
265412 by: John Taylor-Johnston
265414 by: Daniel Brown
265418 by: Richard Heyes
265419 by: Jim Lucas
265426 by: Andrew Ballard
Re: sprintf() oddness
265420 by: Andrew Ballard
265428 by: tedd
265435 by: Andrew Ballard
Banned from #php
265421 by: Brenden Wilson
265422 by: Aaron Gould
265423 by: bruce
265427 by: Jay Blanchard
265429 by: bruce
265430 by: Stephen Johnson
265431 by: bruce
265432 by: Daevid Vincent
265433 by: Stephen Johnson
265434 by: Daniel Brown
265436 by: Jay Blanchard
265437 by: Warren Vail
265438 by: Nathan Nobbe
265439 by: Wolf
Software Help
265424 by: Mike Roberts
265425 by: Daniel Brown
howto get .tar.gz content's filenames
265440 by: Shelley Shyan
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Hi,
I'm about to add some simple calendar functions to my application, and
I'm thinking of how I should implement recurring events. Are there one
standard way most people use that works well? I guess you have some kind
of emitter event that creates the recurring events and a group id that
holds the events together. How long forward does one usually create the
events. Two-three years...?
Sorry if I'm a bit blury. But any ideas on recurring events are welcome.
I guess I could just hack something together, but it would be fun to do
it right.
Regards Emil
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I'm about to add some simple calendar functions to my application, and
I'm thinking of how I should implement recurring events. Are there one
standard way most people use that works well? I guess you have some kind
of emitter event that creates the recurring events and a group id that
holds the events together. How long forward does one usually create the
events. Two-three years...?
Sorry if I'm a bit blury. But any ideas on recurring events are welcome.
I guess I could just hack something together, but it would be fun to do
it right.
If you're on Unix you will need a cron job that runs every x minutes.
That could check a database for jobs/tasks that need running, using the
current time and an option like "run this job every 10 minutes" to
determine what needs running, (ie in that case if the current time isn't
divisible by ten then don't run it).
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On Dec 2, 2007 5:18 PM, Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Do failed tests mean I absolutely should NOT install. Or is it normal to
> have a few fails? Try two different versions, all have some failure.
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On what operating system are you trying to install PHP?
Is this coming from ./configure or are you receiving mail from the
PHP-QA list for some reason?
In order to get any real help, please try to be as detailed as
possible when asking a question.
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at the end of make test
no critical errors, 3 or 4 said they were bugg. then 3 said iI may have a
branded libc.
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On Dec 3, 2007 12:18 AM, Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Do failed tests mean I absolutely should NOT install. Or is it normal to
have a few fails? Try two different versions, all have some failure.
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Which tests do you mean? On the end of the configure command you'll
see if there is a critical error. If not, you can make it.
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On Dec 3, 2007 11:01 AM, Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> at the end of make test
>
> no critical errors, 3 or 4 said they were bugg. then 3 said iI may have a
> branded libc.
>
>
> ""Peter Smit"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > On Dec 3, 2007 12:18 AM, Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Do failed tests mean I absolutely should NOT install. Or is it normal to
> >> have a few fails? Try two different versions, all have some failure.
> >>
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> > Which tests do you mean? On the end of the configure command you'll
> > see if there is a critical error. If not, you can make it.
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So after ./configure finished, it didn't end with a line beginning like so?
configure: error: [SOME_ERROR_MESSAGE]
If not, feel free to run both 'make' and 'make install'.
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Thank you.
configure ended with no errors. But it said "Don't forget to make test", so
like a good little lemming I did.
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On Dec 3, 2007 11:01 AM, Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
at the end of make test
no critical errors, 3 or 4 said they were bugg. then 3 said iI may have a
branded libc.
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> On Dec 3, 2007 12:18 AM, Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Do failed tests mean I absolutely should NOT install. Or is it normal
>> to
>> have a few fails? Try two different versions, all have some failure.
>>
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> Which tests do you mean? On the end of the configure command you'll
> see if there is a critical error. If not, you can make it.
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So after ./configure finished, it didn't end with a line beginning like
so?
configure: error: [SOME_ERROR_MESSAGE]
If not, feel free to run both 'make' and 'make install'.
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On Dec 3, 2007 11:18 AM, Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thank you.
>
> configure ended with no errors. But it said "Don't forget to make test", so
> like a good little lemming I did.
>
>
>
>
> ""Daniel Brown"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > On Dec 3, 2007 11:01 AM, Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> at the end of make test
> >>
> >> no critical errors, 3 or 4 said they were bugg. then 3 said iI may have a
> >> branded libc.
> >>
> >>
> >> ""Peter Smit"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> >> > On Dec 3, 2007 12:18 AM, Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> Do failed tests mean I absolutely should NOT install. Or is it normal
> >> >> to
> >> >> have a few fails? Try two different versions, all have some failure.
> >> >>
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> >> > Which tests do you mean? On the end of the configure command you'll
> >> > see if there is a critical error. If not, you can make it.
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> > So after ./configure finished, it didn't end with a line beginning like
> > so?
> >
> > configure: error: [SOME_ERROR_MESSAGE]
> >
> > If not, feel free to run both 'make' and 'make install'.
> >
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Yeah, with those, it's *generally* okay to ignore them.
Feel free to continue the build. If anything seriously hindering
exists, you should see some usable errors there.
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2007/12/2, tedd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Oh yes, it's very much like fractals, but the term "fractalism" is
> usually reserved for art forms based on fractals.
>
> However, one could conclude that all crystalline forms are a
> "real-world" examples of fractals. In similar vein, all repetitive
> processes (including programming) could be though of as a fractal
> dependant functions. Interesting food for thought, which also could
> be fractal dependant. :-)
>
Well, I don't know in your country, but here code is considered, legally
speaking, literature... that means.... we're actually doing ART!!!!
So fractalism is quite appropiate.
Even more, considering that fractal are a mathematical and algorithmical
constructs, it's more pertinent to talk about fractalism in terms of code
writing.
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Is there a calculation function?
I'm using an e-commerce shopping cart. I want to tweak the code. The
author is using a varchar(100) field to store prices.
Taking advantage of there being a varchar, instead of entering a price,
I would like to enter a calculation.
(24*2.2)+(24*2.2*.1) 24 is my unit price in British pounds. 2.2 is the
exchange rate into Canadian dollars. etc.
The exchange rate changes frequently. Instead of recalculating and
entering a new price every few days, it would be useful to enter a
calculation in any price field.
I had a look at: http://ca3.php.net/manual-lookup.php?pattern=calc
http://ca3.php.net/manual-lookup.php?pattern=calculate
http://ca3.php.net/manual-lookup.php?pattern=calculation
but I see no function, although I'm sure there is one.
So how could I do this?
$price = (24*2.2)+(24*2.2*.1);
if $price is not an integer, verify if it is a calculation. If so, give
me an integer and round it off to two decimal points:
$price = 58.08;
Do-able?
John
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On Dec 3, 2007 10:56 AM, John Taylor-Johnston
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there a calculation function?
>
> I'm using an e-commerce shopping cart. I want to tweak the code. The
> author is using a varchar(100) field to store prices.
>
> Taking advantage of there being a varchar, instead of entering a price,
> I would like to enter a calculation.
>
> (24*2.2)+(24*2.2*.1) 24 is my unit price in British pounds. 2.2 is the
> exchange rate into Canadian dollars. etc.
>
> The exchange rate changes frequently. Instead of recalculating and
> entering a new price every few days, it would be useful to enter a
> calculation in any price field.
>
> I had a look at: http://ca3.php.net/manual-lookup.php?pattern=calc
> http://ca3.php.net/manual-lookup.php?pattern=calculate
> http://ca3.php.net/manual-lookup.php?pattern=calculation
> but I see no function, although I'm sure there is one.
>
> So how could I do this?
>
> $price = (24*2.2)+(24*2.2*.1);
>
> if $price is not an integer, verify if it is a calculation. If so, give
> me an integer and round it off to two decimal points:
>
> $price = 58.08;
>
> Do-able?
>
> John
>
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John,
Just some example code that may help you out.
<?
$price[] = (24*2.2)+(24*2.2*.1);
$price[] = 58.07777779;
$price[] = "This is a string.";
function intOrCalc($data) { // The function - name it whatever you want.
if(is_numeric($data)) {
return round($data,2);
} elseif(preg_match('/\([0-9].*[0-9]\)/',$data)) {
return $data;
}
}
for($i=0;$i<count($price);$i++) {
echo intOrCalc($price[$i])."\n";
}
?>
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Is there a calculation function?
I'm using an e-commerce shopping cart. I want to tweak the code. The
author is using a varchar(100) field to store prices.
Taking advantage of there being a varchar, instead of entering a price,
I would like to enter a calculation.
(24*2.2)+(24*2.2*.1) 24 is my unit price in British pounds. 2.2 is the
exchange rate into Canadian dollars. etc.
The exchange rate changes frequently. Instead of recalculating and
entering a new price every few days, it would be useful to enter a
calculation in any price field.
I had a look at: http://ca3.php.net/manual-lookup.php?pattern=calc
http://ca3.php.net/manual-lookup.php?pattern=calculate
http://ca3.php.net/manual-lookup.php?pattern=calculation
but I see no function, although I'm sure there is one.
So how could I do this?
$price = (24*2.2)+(24*2.2*.1);
if $price is not an integer, verify if it is a calculation. If so, give
me an integer and round it off to two decimal points:
$price = 58.08;
You may want to look at eval().
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Daniel Brown wrote:
On Dec 3, 2007 10:56 AM, John Taylor-Johnston
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Is there a calculation function?
I'm using an e-commerce shopping cart. I want to tweak the code. The
author is using a varchar(100) field to store prices.
Taking advantage of there being a varchar, instead of entering a price,
I would like to enter a calculation.
(24*2.2)+(24*2.2*.1) 24 is my unit price in British pounds. 2.2 is the
exchange rate into Canadian dollars. etc.
The exchange rate changes frequently. Instead of recalculating and
entering a new price every few days, it would be useful to enter a
calculation in any price field.
I had a look at: http://ca3.php.net/manual-lookup.php?pattern=calc
http://ca3.php.net/manual-lookup.php?pattern=calculate
http://ca3.php.net/manual-lookup.php?pattern=calculation
but I see no function, although I'm sure there is one.
So how could I do this?
$price = (24*2.2)+(24*2.2*.1);
if $price is not an integer, verify if it is a calculation. If so, give
me an integer and round it off to two decimal points:
$price = 58.08;
Do-able?
John
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John,
Just some example code that may help you out.
<?
$price[] = (24*2.2)+(24*2.2*.1);
$price[] = 58.07777779;
$price[] = "This is a string.";
function intOrCalc($data) { // The function - name it whatever you want.
if(is_numeric($data)) {
return round($data,2);
} elseif(preg_match('/\([0-9].*[0-9]\)/',$data)) {
return $data;
}
}
for($i=0;$i<count($price);$i++) {
echo intOrCalc($price[$i])."\n";
}
?>
I think you may have wanted to have that first line enclosed with quotes.
And have it act/look like you took it from the DB. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Should it not be..
$price[] = '(24*2.2)+(24*2.2*.1)';
Other wise, the amount is being evaluated when you assign it to the array.
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On Dec 3, 2007 10:56 AM, John Taylor-Johnston
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there a calculation function?
>
> I'm using an e-commerce shopping cart. I want to tweak the code. The
> author is using a varchar(100) field to store prices.
>
> Taking advantage of there being a varchar, instead of entering a price,
> I would like to enter a calculation.
>
> (24*2.2)+(24*2.2*.1) 24 is my unit price in British pounds. 2.2 is the
> exchange rate into Canadian dollars. etc.
>
> The exchange rate changes frequently. Instead of recalculating and
> entering a new price every few days, it would be useful to enter a
> calculation in any price field.
>
> I had a look at: http://ca3.php.net/manual-lookup.php?pattern=calc
> http://ca3.php.net/manual-lookup.php?pattern=calculate
> http://ca3.php.net/manual-lookup.php?pattern=calculation
> but I see no function, although I'm sure there is one.
>
> So how could I do this?
>
> $price = (24*2.2)+(24*2.2*.1);
>
> if $price is not an integer, verify if it is a calculation. If so, give
> me an integer and round it off to two decimal points:
>
> $price = 58.08;
>
> Do-able?
>
> John
>
John,
Technically, yes you can do it. eval() will work, as Richard
mentioned. However, your question involves two things that I prefer to
avoid at all costs. The first is storing numeric data in a varchar
field. I'm not sure why the author chose this approach. A varchar(100)
is reserving storage space for 100 characters. I doubt you're selling
any items that require that number of digits, so it's wasted space.
(It also makes queries like this "SELECT * FROM `items` WHERE `price`
> 100" problematic because the comparison is being done
alphanumerically rather than just numerically.) Price is a number,
regardless of the units -- even cats or canaries -- and is nearly
always handled better as such.
The second item I like to avoid is anything like that evalutates a
string of text as code like eval(), because you have to handle a wide
range of potential errors in the string being evaluated as well as the
potential security risk.
If you're just wanting to convert prices from one currency to another,
isn't the formula the same regardless of the currency? Could you not
store all your prices numerically in a single currency and then
convert the price to any other currency by passing the stored price
and the exchange rate into a function?
function exchangeCurrency($amount, $exchange_rate) {
return $amount * $exchange_rate;
}
Andrew
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On Dec 1, 2007 11:30 AM, tedd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 7:10 AM -0500 12/1/07, Christoph Boget wrote:
> >Why does
> >
> >sprintf( '%.03f', 0.15250000 )
> >
> >return 0.152 while
> >
> >sprintf( '%.03f', 0.15750000 )
> >
> >return 0.158?
> >
> >The 4th significant digit in both cases is '5' but in the first case, it's
> >rounded down but in the second case it is rounded up. Is sprintf() basing
> >it's decision on the value of the 3rd significant digit? If so, why?
> >Shouldn't rounding decisions be based on subsequent digits and not preceding
> >ones?
> >
> >I am using PHP 4.3.11
> >
> >thnx,
> >Christoph
>
>
> Actually, it's more accurate to use the preceding digit to determine
> rounding. What you describe is "if even then round down else round
> up". That's more accurate than always rounding up or always rounding
> down.
>
> Please follow:
>
> When the digit is zero, no rounding takes place.
> When the digit is 1 - 4, round down.
> When the digit is 6 - 9, round up.
>
> Fine up to there -- but, if you always round up or down for 5, then
> you are introducing bias.
>
> So, if you use the even/odd value of the preceding digit to determine
> which way to round for 5, then it's more accurate.
>
> However, no rounding is accurate -- it's just that some methods are
> less error prone.
>
> Here's a demo:
>
> http://www.webbytedd.com/bbb/rounding/
>
> My rounding method doesn't always win against php's round(), but it
> wins more times than not. Plus, it takes a lot of rounding to
> introduce the bias I found and thus for most applications using the
> round() function (always round down) will suffice.
>
> Cheers,
>
> tedd
>
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Oh, man.... I'm having flashbacks to a flame war that broke out on a
SQL Server board I read related to "bankers rounding" versus
"traditional rounding" and which was more "correct" or "accurate".
:-)
Andrew
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At 2:04 PM -0500 12/3/07, Andrew Ballard wrote:
Oh, man.... I'm having flashbacks to a flame war that broke out on a
SQL Server board I read related to "bankers rounding" versus
"traditional rounding" and which was more "correct" or "accurate".
:-)
Andrew
There really shouldn't be a debate on which is more accurate, because
that's easily enough to determine.
One can argue if it makes a difference, or doing it more correctly
takes too much time, or other such considerations, but "how accurate"
is usually determined as the least amount of error produced by a
given calculation method.
Cheers,
tedd
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On Dec 3, 2007 3:29 PM, tedd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 2:04 PM -0500 12/3/07, Andrew Ballard wrote:
> >
> >Oh, man.... I'm having flashbacks to a flame war that broke out on a
> >SQL Server board I read related to "bankers rounding" versus
> >"traditional rounding" and which was more "correct" or "accurate".
> >:-)
> >
> >Andrew
>
> There really shouldn't be a debate on which is more accurate, because
> that's easily enough to determine.
>
> One can argue if it makes a difference, or doing it more correctly
> takes too much time, or other such considerations, but "how accurate"
> is usually determined as the least amount of error produced by a
> given calculation method.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> tedd
>
Which is more accurate? Neither - they're both wrong. :-P
Uh oh. I may have ignited what I wanted to avoid. Seriously, though,
you're probably right. I can't find the thread now, but I seem to
recall that the bulk of the discussion centered around someone on the
list arguing that the difference between each method was so small that
the benefit was negligible, especially compared to the overhead of
using a custom function in SQL Server to do what the client asked (to
use banker's rounding) versus using the native ROUND function. After
all, clients can be so irritating when they expect you to build a
system the way they want it. :-)
Andrew
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I hope this is the right place to ask because I simply can't find any place
else to ask for help.
I have been banned from chatting in ##php and I really don't deserve it.
The chat log can be found here:
http://pastebin.com/f6941dae7
(I've deleted conversations from other people)
Wolfpaws banned me for calling him obnoxious. I don't know if he does this
to everybody, but he rarely helps me but almost always calls me an idiot for
asking questions. He has been doing this for several weeks now and I have
only once said something in return to him. He didn't even give me a
warning....
How can I get unbanned? I'm not a problem in the least bit and when I can
legitimately answer somebody else's question, I always do.
Thanks,
Brenden Wilson
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Brenden Wilson wrote:
I hope this is the right place to ask because I simply can't find any place
else to ask for help.
I have been banned from chatting in ##php and I really don't deserve it.
The chat log can be found here:
http://pastebin.com/f6941dae7
(I've deleted conversations from other people)
Wolfpaws banned me for calling him obnoxious. I don't know if he does this
to everybody, but he rarely helps me but almost always calls me an idiot for
asking questions. He has been doing this for several weeks now and I have
only once said something in return to him. He didn't even give me a
warning....
How can I get unbanned? I'm not a problem in the least bit and when I can
legitimately answer somebody else's question, I always do.
Thanks,
Brenden Wilson
Hmm, suspicious at best. I find it difficult to believe there are any
obnoxious PHP people. :)
Aaron
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hi brenden...
php/irc is a private/public place. the moderator(s) can pretty much do what
they please.
you're always free to start your own irc channel, and to then moderate as
you see fit!!
peace
-----Original Message-----
From: Brenden Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 11:19 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PHP] Banned from #php
I hope this is the right place to ask because I simply can't find any place
else to ask for help.
I have been banned from chatting in ##php and I really don't deserve it.
The chat log can be found here:
http://pastebin.com/f6941dae7
(I've deleted conversations from other people)
Wolfpaws banned me for calling him obnoxious. I don't know if he does this
to everybody, but he rarely helps me but almost always calls me an idiot for
asking questions. He has been doing this for several weeks now and I have
only once said something in return to him. He didn't even give me a
warning....
How can I get unbanned? I'm not a problem in the least bit and when I can
legitimately answer somebody else's question, I always do.
Thanks,
Brenden Wilson
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[snip]
How can I get unbanned?
[/snip]
Have you thought about asking the chat admin?
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hi jay...
if the chat admin is this wolfpaws person, who's already calling the guy an
idiot... doubt if asking him/her is going to make a difference..
-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Blanchard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 12:22 PM
To: Brenden Wilson; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [PHP] Banned from #php
[snip]
How can I get unbanned?
[/snip]
Have you thought about asking the chat admin?
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It seems to me... And this is just my unimportant opinion....
But...
Your initial question was a violation of the RTFM and STFW tenets... Both
would have provided you answers to such a basic question rather quickly..
Then when wolfpaws provided you more information (print_r added to your
google search provides the answer in the second listing) you again violated
the above tenets. (second strike if you will )
Then when you were finally spoonfed an answer that you should have known
before ever even starting your first session in PHP... You thanked wolfpaws
by telling him he was obnoxious... (third strike and your banned)...
Again, I am not a member of #php or any irc channel for that matter, and I
have no idea who this wolfpaws is, but his actions seem justified to me...
And that is just from hearing your side of the story ...
Lastly, you said :
> I hope this is the right place to ask because I simply can't find any place
> else to ask for help.
No, I do not believe that this is the right to ask this question, since it
has nothing to do with PHP, and apparently the moderator of said IRC channel
is not here...
Remember, when coding, php.net and google are friends. Everyone else hates
you. It is not personal, it's just a fact.
--
Stephen Johnson c | eh
The Lone Coder
http://www.thelonecoder.com
continuing the struggle against bad code
http://www.thumbnailresume.com
--
> From: Brenden Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:19:17 -0800
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [PHP] Banned from #php
>
> I hope this is the right place to ask because I simply can't find any place
> else to ask for help.
>
> I have been banned from chatting in ##php and I really don't deserve it.
>
> The chat log can be found here:
> http://pastebin.com/f6941dae7
> (I've deleted conversations from other people)
>
>
> Wolfpaws banned me for calling him obnoxious. I don't know if he does this
> to everybody, but he rarely helps me but almost always calls me an idiot for
> asking questions. He has been doing this for several weeks now and I have
> only once said something in return to him. He didn't even give me a
> warning....
>
>
> How can I get unbanned? I'm not a problem in the least bit and when I can
> legitimately answer somebody else's question, I always do.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Brenden Wilson
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Hey Stephen..
gotta kind of agree with you about the friends aspect of the net!!! i've
often thought that there's a business to be had, by actually setting up irc
channels/forums/threads where you have people pay some small amount to
actually be able to be part of a system where you're going to get reasonable
answers to questions...
you minimize the blatant lazy questions, as you've had to pay to belong to
the channel... and at the same time, you can still help people with really
basic questions who really are trying to resolve something, but they simply
need help...
you could probably easily get businesses to sponsor this as well..
peace..
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 12:47 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP] Banned from #php
It seems to me... And this is just my unimportant opinion....
But...
Your initial question was a violation of the RTFM and STFW tenets... Both
would have provided you answers to such a basic question rather quickly..
Then when wolfpaws provided you more information (print_r added to your
google search provides the answer in the second listing) you again violated
the above tenets. (second strike if you will )
Then when you were finally spoonfed an answer that you should have known
before ever even starting your first session in PHP... You thanked wolfpaws
by telling him he was obnoxious... (third strike and your banned)...
Again, I am not a member of #php or any irc channel for that matter, and I
have no idea who this wolfpaws is, but his actions seem justified to me...
And that is just from hearing your side of the story ...
Lastly, you said :
> I hope this is the right place to ask because I simply can't find any
place
> else to ask for help.
No, I do not believe that this is the right to ask this question, since it
has nothing to do with PHP, and apparently the moderator of said IRC channel
is not here...
Remember, when coding, php.net and google are friends. Everyone else hates
you. It is not personal, it's just a fact.
--
Stephen Johnson c | eh
The Lone Coder
http://www.thelonecoder.com
continuing the struggle against bad code
http://www.thumbnailresume.com
--
> From: Brenden Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:19:17 -0800
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [PHP] Banned from #php
>
> I hope this is the right place to ask because I simply can't find any
place
> else to ask for help.
>
> I have been banned from chatting in ##php and I really don't deserve it.
>
> The chat log can be found here:
> http://pastebin.com/f6941dae7
> (I've deleted conversations from other people)
>
>
> Wolfpaws banned me for calling him obnoxious. I don't know if he does
this
> to everybody, but he rarely helps me but almost always calls me an idiot
for
> asking questions. He has been doing this for several weeks now and I have
> only once said something in return to him. He didn't even give me a
> warning....
>
>
> How can I get unbanned? I'm not a problem in the least bit and when I can
> legitimately answer somebody else's question, I always do.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Brenden Wilson
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ROFL!!!!
OMG. That's soooo my new signature!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Johnson
>
> Remember, when coding, php.net and google are friends.
> Everyone else hates you.
> It is not personal, it's just a fact.
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Well, I understand the concept of "I have paid, so I get to ask whatever I
want." and if he indeed did pay for access to that IRC channel, then he
should strive to get his money back for being banned.
However, paid or not, I subscribe to the "give a man a fish or teach a man
how to fish" philosophy, and answering lazy questions breeds lazy
programmers, which in the end hurts us all.
Part of this job is learning how to learn, and so many times people just
want you to write the code for them.
--
Stephen Johnson c | eh
The Lone Coder
http://www.thelonecoder.com
continuing the struggle against bad code
http://www.thumbnailresume.com
--
> From: bruce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:10:48 -0800
> To: 'Stephen Johnson' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: [PHP] Banned from #php
>
> Hey Stephen..
>
> gotta kind of agree with you about the friends aspect of the net!!! i've
> often thought that there's a business to be had, by actually setting up irc
> channels/forums/threads where you have people pay some small amount to
> actually be able to be part of a system where you're going to get reasonable
> answers to questions...
>
> you minimize the blatant lazy questions, as you've had to pay to belong to
> the channel... and at the same time, you can still help people with really
> basic questions who really are trying to resolve something, but they simply
> need help...
>
> you could probably easily get businesses to sponsor this as well..
>
> peace..
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 12:47 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [PHP] Banned from #php
>
>
> It seems to me... And this is just my unimportant opinion....
>
> But...
>
> Your initial question was a violation of the RTFM and STFW tenets... Both
> would have provided you answers to such a basic question rather quickly..
>
> Then when wolfpaws provided you more information (print_r added to your
> google search provides the answer in the second listing) you again violated
> the above tenets. (second strike if you will )
>
> Then when you were finally spoonfed an answer that you should have known
> before ever even starting your first session in PHP... You thanked wolfpaws
> by telling him he was obnoxious... (third strike and your banned)...
>
> Again, I am not a member of #php or any irc channel for that matter, and I
> have no idea who this wolfpaws is, but his actions seem justified to me...
> And that is just from hearing your side of the story ...
>
> Lastly, you said :
>
>> I hope this is the right place to ask because I simply can't find any
> place
>> else to ask for help.
>
> No, I do not believe that this is the right to ask this question, since it
> has nothing to do with PHP, and apparently the moderator of said IRC channel
> is not here...
>
> Remember, when coding, php.net and google are friends. Everyone else hates
> you. It is not personal, it's just a fact.
>
>
>
> --
> Stephen Johnson c | eh
> The Lone Coder
>
> http://www.thelonecoder.com
> continuing the struggle against bad code
>
> http://www.thumbnailresume.com
> --
>
>
>
>
>> From: Brenden Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:19:17 -0800
>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: [PHP] Banned from #php
>>
>> I hope this is the right place to ask because I simply can't find any
> place
>> else to ask for help.
>>
>> I have been banned from chatting in ##php and I really don't deserve it.
>>
>> The chat log can be found here:
>> http://pastebin.com/f6941dae7
>> (I've deleted conversations from other people)
>>
>>
>> Wolfpaws banned me for calling him obnoxious. I don't know if he does
> this
>> to everybody, but he rarely helps me but almost always calls me an idiot
> for
>> asking questions. He has been doing this for several weeks now and I have
>> only once said something in return to him. He didn't even give me a
>> warning....
>>
>>
>> How can I get unbanned? I'm not a problem in the least bit and when I can
>> legitimately answer somebody else's question, I always do.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brenden Wilson
>
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On Dec 3, 2007 4:00 PM, Daevid Vincent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ROFL!!!!
>
> OMG. That's soooo my new signature!
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stephen Johnson
> >
> > Remember, when coding, php.net and google are friends.
> > Everyone else hates you.
> > It is not personal, it's just a fact.
>
> --
>
> PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)
> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
>
>
Also, keep in mind that the effected ban was by regexp'ed name
only in this particular case.
(+b [EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Daniel P. Brown
[office] (570-) 587-7080 Ext. 272
[mobile] (570-) 766-8107
If at first you don't succeed, stick to what you know best so that you
can make enough money to pay someone else to do it for you.
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[snip]
if the chat admin is this wolfpaws person, who's already calling the guy
an
idiot... doubt if asking him/her is going to make a difference..
[/snip]
No doubt, but if wolfpaws is just a mod then mabe....
-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Blanchard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 12:22 PM
To: Brenden Wilson; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [PHP] Banned from #php
[snip]
How can I get unbanned?
[/snip]
Have you thought about asking the chat admin?
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I always love a good flame war. A bunch of disrespected patriots running
around trying to prove who has a bigger flame, and punish the persons who
they feel did the disrespecting. At least no one is calling for the death
of the offender, at least not yet.... ;-)
Warren
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couldnt you always like come back w/ a different username?
i mean seriously; how are those bans structured anyway?
-nathan
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SUre, considering he only regexed the ID, though it would require
1) realizing it was a regex
2) being able to read the regex
3) going into the #php channel and not ask RTFM or STFW questions
And no, I am not on IRC nor am I wolfpaws
Wolf
---- Nathan Nobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> couldnt you always like come back w/ a different username?
>
> i mean seriously; how are those bans structured anyway?
>
> -nathan
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My name is Mike Roberts, and I am a recruiter with Corporate Staffing
Services in Bala Cynwyd, Pennsylvania. I need help finding qualified
candidates who have experience with PHP ( whole lamp environment). Out
of respect, I am not including the job spec, but if anybody has a
reccomendation, I would appreciate it. Also if you would like to see the
specification, please let me know and I will happy to email it directly
to you.
Regards,
Mike Roberts
Sr. Recruitment Strategist
Corporate Staffing Services
150 Monument Road, Suite 510
Bala Cynwyd, PA 19004
Phone: 610.771.1084
Fax : 610.771.0390
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: www.jobscss.com
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Mike,
I'm interested in taking a better look. I'm just outside of Scranton.
On Dec 3, 2007 2:55 PM, Mike Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> My name is Mike Roberts, and I am a recruiter with Corporate Staffing
> Services in Bala Cynwyd, Pennsylvania. I need help finding qualified
> candidates who have experience with PHP ( whole lamp environment). Out
> of respect, I am not including the job spec, but if anybody has a
> reccomendation, I would appreciate it. Also if you would like to see the
> specification, please let me know and I will happy to email it directly
> to you.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike Roberts
> Sr. Recruitment Strategist
> Corporate Staffing Services
> 150 Monument Road, Suite 510
> Bala Cynwyd, PA 19004
> Phone: 610.771.1084
> Fax : 610.771.0390
> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Web: www.jobscss.com
>
>
>
--
Daniel P. Brown
[office] (570-) 587-7080 Ext. 272
[mobile] (570-) 766-8107
If at first you don't succeed, stick to what you know best so that you
can make enough money to pay someone else to do it for you.
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Hi all,
It may not be a php question, but I want to get the filename lists that a
.tar.gz file contains and give it to an array.
How can I manage that?
Thank you very much for your consideration.
Regards,
Shelley
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