php-general Digest 31 Jul 2010 00:50:51 -0000 Issue 6872
Topics (messages 307239 through 307262):
Re: Trapping for PDF Type and file size in a UPLOAD form...
307239 by: Pete Ford
Re: the state of the PHP community
307240 by: Per Jessen
307241 by: Per Jessen
307243 by: Per Jessen
307244 by: Ford, Mike
307248 by: David McGlone
307250 by: Bob McConnell
307251 by: Bob McConnell
307252 by: Per Jessen
307253 by: Bastien Koert
Re: [site is acting strange] - blank pages, download index.php, or works fine
307242 by: Ashley Sheridan
307245 by: tedd
307249 by: Gary
307254 by: Bill Guion
307256 by: Adam Richardson
307259 by: Ashley Sheridan
307262 by: David Hutto
Re: PHP 5.3 as a requirement for a library?
307246 by: tedd
307247 by: Bob McConnell
307255 by: Nathan Rixham
Array help.
307257 by: Paul Halliday
307258 by: Joshua Kehn
307260 by: Paul Halliday
307261 by: Joshua Kehn
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On 29/07/10 19:10, tedd wrote:
At 9:50 AM -0700 7/29/10, Don Wieland wrote:
I am trying to create an UPLOAD form and need to figure a way to only
allow PDF files to be selected.
The short answer is you can't -- not from php. You can create a standard
form and upload it from there, but you don't have control over file type.
So you can't stop people from uploading anything to your site via the
form, but you can look at the document once it's there and inspect it.
Using a HEX Editor, I see that most pdf file have the first four bytes
as "%PDF" so you might check that before moving the file to somewhere
important. But that doesn't stop spoofing.
Other than that, I can't see any way to do it.
Cheers,
tedd
Second what tedd says, with a bit more: on a Linux backend system I run uploaded
files through the 'file' command with a decent magic file to detect the file
type. I also run every upload through a virus scanner (clamscan, for example)
before I accept it.
If your PHP backend is windows then you might need to do some research to find a
good file-type detection routine, although the virus scanning should be possible.
You certainly cannot trust the client side to do any checking. In any case,
JavaScript doesn't (shouldn't) have access to the file you are trying to upload,
so there's not much you can do there. You might achieve something client-side
with Flash, or a Java uploader applet, I suppose.
Cheers
Pete
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Nathan Rixham wrote:
> What other languages and web techs do you currently use other than
> PHP? - if you include html or css please include version, if js then
> preferred libs, and whether client or server side.
C, C++, assembler, xhtml, css2, xslt1, javascript(client), shell-script.
> What's your previous language/tech trail?
REXX, PL/I, Smalltalk.
> Are you considering any new languages or techs, and if so which?
Not really.
> Is PHP your hobby/interest, primary development language, just
> learning or?
It's just one of many things I need to run my business.
> How many years have you been using PHP regularly?
7-8.
> How many years have you been working with web technologies?
7-8.
> Did you come from a non-web programming background?
Yes.
> Is your primary role web developer or designer?
Nope.
> In your developer life, are you an employer, and employee, contractor,
> freelancer, part of a team of equal standing members?
An employer.
> Do you tend to work on jobs for geo-local clients, clients in the same
> country, or do you work internationally 'on the web'?
I only work for me.
> How do you get your projects? do they come to you, word of mouth, do
> you hunt and bid for projects, code call, visit clients, target
> clients individually you think you can help, or?
See above.
> Do you network with other PHP'ers in real life - meetups etc, do you
> tend to shy away, or do you find you circulate in other web related
> but non PHP focussed communities?
No and no.
> Are you a member or any other web tech communities, opensource
> efforts, or standardization bodies - again, if so which?
ACM, IEEE, openSUSE.
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Per Jessen, Zürich (16.4°C)
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Bob McConnell wrote:
> In chronological order -
>
> Languages: [snip] C++ (Still don't
> understand the purpose of objects or classes).
Two words - encapsulation and abstraction.
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Per Jessen, Zürich (17.1°C)
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Nathan Rixham wrote:
> (shared) hosts and in developer+projects - but I also worry that it
> doesn't change with the times quick enough, + the core doesn't have
> the same hacker + iterative development focus anymore, contrast other
> languages which get major functionality added at minor revisions, and
> minor revisions every few days/weeks and there certainly is something
> to worry about.
>
> This said, perhaps the worry is primarily on a personal basis with
> developers loosing time invested in PHP were they to move off to other
> languages.
>
> Real worries in the PHP core for me, are the huge ignorance and lack
> of native support for HTTP (which is somewhat ironic), lack of support
> for NoSQL + RDF tooling, and also support + implementations of the new
> sets of webapps APIs.
None of that is very 'core' to me - it's the stuff for libraries. When
there's a sufficient need, it'll appear.
> Overall, the general sentiment of 'if it can be done in userland, let
> it be done there' isn't always the best approach (although I
> understand the arguments to the contrary) - ultimately though, PHP
> does feel 'stale' comparatively.
If you look at PHP as a language with a set of libraries, the language
itself is as 'stale' as maybe C or Java or assembler - the language
shouldn't change all that often, nor should the core libraries, but
everything else is free to do whatever.
--
Per Jessen, Zürich (17.0°C)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nathan Rixham [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 29 July 2010 06:36
> in no particular order:
>
> What other languages and web techs do you currently use other than
> PHP?
> - if you include html or css please include version, if js then
> preferred libs, and whether client or server side.
XHTML 1.0 Transitional (looking to go Strict)
CSS, mostly to 2.0 but use newer/other stuff where required and
supported by enough browsers
Javascript - again mostly to 1.3 (or whatever the equivalent ECMA
standard is) with occasional forays into 1.5. Not currently
using any public libs, but JQuery on the menu. Homegrown AJAX
libs (based on published techniques).
Oracle database (site licensed corporate standard).
Some perl, a soupcon of Python, a touch of Java, and SirsiDynix
page description language.
> What's your previous language/tech trail?
OMG! Well, started in secondary school (that's high school for you
transatlantic folks) with BASIC back when access was a once-weekly
courier to the local Polytechnic (coding sheets out one week,
printout and punched cards back a week later!).
At university, taught the lecturer on the BASIC module more than he
taught me, but also learned and programmed in ALGOL-60, Algol-68,
FORTRAN-IV (not -II, thank goodness!), COBOL, Pascal, LISP, BCPL,
MACRO-10 (DECsystem-10 assembly language), SNOBOL (in SPITBOL variant),
SETL (a language written as a PhD project and, as far as I know,
confined to a (very small) handful of universities), MINIMAL (a
machine-independent artificial assembly language used to write SPITBOL
and SETL compilers), and probably one or two other oddities I've
forgotten about. Oh, and of course the TECO editor macro language,
in which I wrote a very primitive screen editor when the first
VDUs arrived to upgrade our previously all-teletype labs.
Was also taught about a number of other languages which we never got
to use, such as PL/1, APL, Simula, etc.
Since then, at work, more FORTRAN (up to the -77 version), B, more
Pascal, BBC BASIC, 6502 assembler, Pr1me command (shell) language,
WordPerfect macros, VisualBasic (Word and Excel macros), leading via
Excel macros producing HTML to the current set as above!
> Are you considering any new languages or techs, and if so which?
> - names / links
Not really at this stage, although everything is always under review!
> Is PHP your hobby/interest, primary development language, just
> learning or?
Primary development language - it's the standard scripting language
here. But it's also an interest, and if I had time would be a hobby
too. And I never stop learning!
> How many years have you been using PHP regularly?
At least 9 -- the oldest script still on my hard drive is from July
2001, although I doubt even that is wholly original.
> How many years have you been working with web technologies?
That kind of depends what you mean by "Web technologies", but at
least 15.
In the early 80s, I was dialling in to the PLANET teleconferencing
application at BBN in North America (via the ARPAnet!).
I've been [email protected], @lmu.ac.uk or @leedspoly.ac.uk
(depending on current name of this institution!) since 1988.
More recently, my first Web pages were written - both coded by hand
and produced from other sources using VB macros - in 1995. Indeed,
evidence of my earliest work can still be seen at
http://www.leedsmet.ac.uk/lss/newsletter/ (VB macros from Word source)
and
http://web.archive.org/web/19970722222605/http://www.lmu.ac.uk/lss/cs/
(hand-coded).
> Did you come from a non-web programming background?
Non-Web, yes, but very definitely from traditional programming.
> Is your primary role web developer or designer?
Developer, but with a dash of designer thrown in when needed.
> In your developer life, are you an employer, and employee,
> contractor,
> freelancer, part of a team of equal standing members?
Employee, part of a team.
[2 questions omitted as non-applicable]
> Do you have any frustrations with the PHP community, do you find you
> want to talk shop but can't, or find people to work with but can't,
> have
> projects in mind you want to do but can't find people to do them
> with etc?
My only real frustration is in not having enough time to get more
involved! I'd love to contribute to the documentation, and get my
hands dirty implementing fixes and feature-requests, but real-life
just doesn't leave me enough spare time.
> Do you network with other PHP'ers in real life - meetups etc, do you
> tend to shy away, or do you find you circulate in other web related
> but
> non PHP focussed communities?
I don't have time to do techy stuff outside work, so any relevant
networking happens as a result of work projects and tends to be more
project-related than technology-focussed.
> Are you a member or any other web tech communities, opensource
> efforts,
> or standardization bodies - again, if so which?
User groups and support communities for the various proprietary
products I support.
Have recently got involved with Jangle (http://www.jangle.org/), and
currently involved in writing a Jangle connector for the SirsyDynix
Symphony Library Management System.
> Are there any efforts, projects or initiatives which are floating
> your
> boat right now and that your watching eagerly (or getting involved
> with)?
Oh, puh-lease! As if I have time for that!
Although, obviously, we keep a close eye on trends -- especially social
networking at present -- in an effort to keep in tune with what our
students might be using!
Cheers!
Mike
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Electronic Information Developer, Libraries and Learning Innovation,
Leeds Metropolitan University, C507 City Campus,
Woodhouse Lane, LEEDS, LS1 3HE, United Kingdom
Email: [email protected]
Tel: +44 113 812 4730
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On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 22:28 -0400, Robert Cummings wrote:
> On 10-07-29 10:18 PM, David McGlone wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 22:14 -0400, Robert Cummings wrote:
> >> Early high school I used to program in basic on a TRS-80. Oh how I loved
> >> saving my programs to audio cassette. Later in high school I learned
> >> pascal and then later qbasic. Later still I studied computer science and
> >> was exposed to many different languages C, C++, Smalltalk, Java,
> >> Scheme, Prolog, Perl, JavaScript, HTML, VRML, SQL that I remember. When
> >> I finished university I walked straight into a PHP job knowing not an
> >> iota of PHP. I came up to speed the first week and fell in love with it.
> >> That was around March 2000. The company there always used Java also, as
> >> part of a desktop suite to manage the web content. Towards the end of
> >> 2002 they began an effort to create a Java based web framework to
> >> parallel their PHP framework and so I used Java more at that time. Then
> >> the dot com crash caught up with them and layoffs ensued.
> >>
> > What High School did you go to? What year? As far as I remember when I
> > was in HS, nothing about computers was offered. this was back in '88.
>
> I was attending the Nechako Valley Secondary School in Vanderhoof,
> British Columbia, Canada in 1989 when I was learning Pascal. Now that I
> think of it more deeply, it wasn't Qbasic in high schoool, it was Watcom
> Basic while attending Timmins High & Vocational School in Timmins,
> Ontario, Canada in 1990 or 1991. Qbasic was at home :) Actually, I'm not
> sure about Timmins for the Watcom Basic, it might have been Lockerby
> Composite in Sudbury, Ontario, Canada. I attended 4 different high
> schools. Some if it is blurry now :)
Sounds like Canada has a good grade school system. I wish programming
languages were offered here when I was in HS.
--
Blessings,
David M.
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From: Per Jessen
> Bob McConnell wrote:
>
>> In chronological order -
>>
>> Languages: [snip] C++ (Still don't
>> understand the purpose of objects or classes).
>
> Two words - encapsulation and abstraction.
Both of which are euphemisms that simply mean obfuscation. I learned
very early in my professional career to eschew obfuscation, so they
don't impress me at all. In addition, I really don't do abstraction
well. I have trouble when I have to deal with more than two levels of
indirection. Having written and debugged a _lot_ of real-time
applications and device drivers, in both assembler and C, I am much more
comfortable with the concrete, like managing I/O registers, interrupt
controllers and circular buffers. Unfortunately, there aren't many of
those jobs left. That's one of the primary reasons I am looking forward
to retiring.
I still believe that OOP is as much of a fad as Structured Programming
and Top-Down Programming were. They all can be used to solve certain
classes of problems, but none of them are a silver bullet for software
development. OOP will eventually learn its place in the overall scheme
of programming, but it will never be universally applicable.
Bob McConnell
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From: Robert Cummings
> On 10-07-29 10:18 PM, David McGlone wrote:
>> On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 22:14 -0400, Robert Cummings wrote:
>>> Early high school I used to program in basic on a TRS-80. Oh how I
loved
>>> saving my programs to audio cassette. Later in high school I learned
>>> pascal and then later qbasic. Later still I studied computer science
and
>>> was exposed to many different languages C, C++, Smalltalk, Java,
>>> Scheme, Prolog, Perl, JavaScript, HTML, VRML, SQL that I remember.
When
>>> I finished university I walked straight into a PHP job knowing not
an
>>> iota of PHP. I came up to speed the first week and fell in love with
it.
>>> That was around March 2000. The company there always used Java also,
as
>>> part of a desktop suite to manage the web content. Towards the end
of
>>> 2002 they began an effort to create a Java based web framework to
>>> parallel their PHP framework and so I used Java more at that time.
Then
>>> the dot com crash caught up with them and layoffs ensued.
>>>
>> What High School did you go to? What year? As far as I remember when
I
>> was in HS, nothing about computers was offered. this was back in '88.
>
> I was attending the Nechako Valley Secondary School in Vanderhoof,
> British Columbia, Canada in 1989 when I was learning Pascal. Now that
I
> think of it more deeply, it wasn't Qbasic in high schoool, it was
Watcom
> Basic while attending Timmins High & Vocational School in Timmins,
> Ontario, Canada in 1990 or 1991. Qbasic was at home :) Actually, I'm
not
> sure about Timmins for the Watcom Basic, it might have been Lockerby
> Composite in Sudbury, Ontario, Canada. I attended 4 different high
> schools. Some if it is blurry now :)
The use of Watcom tools would make sense since the Wat was an
abbreviation of Waterloo, Ontario. That was also the source of the
WatFor Fortran compiler I used in 1968.
Bob McConnell
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Bob McConnell wrote:
> From: Per Jessen
>
>> Bob McConnell wrote:
>>
>>> In chronological order -
>>>
>>> Languages: [snip] C++ (Still don't
>>> understand the purpose of objects or classes).
>>
>> Two words - encapsulation and abstraction.
>
> Both of which are euphemisms that simply mean obfuscation.
Certainly not. All structured languages have abstraction and
encapsulation. The minute you write a function or procedure, you are
abstracting and encapsulating. C++ (Smalltalk, Eiffel et al) are just
very focused on those to concepts.
> I learned very early in my professional career to eschew obfuscation,
> so they don't impress me at all. In addition, I really don't do
> abstraction well. I have trouble when I have to deal with more than
> two levels of indirection. Having written and debugged a _lot_ of
> real-time applications and device drivers, in both assembler and C, I
> am much more comfortable with the concrete, like managing I/O
> registers, interrupt controllers and circular buffers.
I used to write system software for StorageTek (HSC, VTCS,
Librarystation), been there, done that. It doesn't mean I can't
appreciate the qualities in encapsulation and abstraction.
--
Per Jessen, Zürich (20.6°C)
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On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Nathan Rixham <[email protected]> wrote:
> Bastien Koert wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Nathan Rixham <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I find myself wondering about the state of the PHP community (and related
>>> community with a PHP focus), so, here's a bunch of questions - feel free
>>> to
>>> answer none to all of them, on list or off, or add more of your own -
>>> this
>>> isn't for anything specific, just out of interest and sure I (and
>>> everybody
>>> who reads the replies) will learn something + doors/options/contacts may
>>> come of it. The only thing I can guarantee is that I'm genuinely
>>> interested
>>> in every reply and will read every one of them + lookup every tech and
>>> link
>>> mentioned.
>>>
>>> in no particular order:
>>>
>>> What other languages and web techs do you currently use other than PHP?
>>> - if you include html or css please include version, if js then preferred
>>> libs, and whether client or server side.
>>
>> Classic ASP (ugh!)
>
> I'll reply in full shortly when I get a chance, but for now - condolences,
> sincerely - and thanks to the nice dates we currently have I can say:
I give myself condolences every day! ;-)
>
> "wow i remember using classic asp as my primary language a decade ago"
> or:
> "omg I wrote my first news admin system in classic asp at the turn of the
> century"
> or even:
> "omg I remember being stuck with classic asp in the last millenium"!
>
> In all seriousness though:
> 1: how'd you manage to get stuck on classic asp still? maintaining old
> systems that won't shift?
We are stuck for a couple of reasons:
- lack of management vision to move on (one choice might be c# because
"its got the most examples in the msdn pages" is the direct quote)
- long lifecycle of the app (we just got told that we'll need to
support it for the next 3-5 years and they keep selling it!
I am pushing big time to move to php with the CodeIgniter framework
with jQuery. The real trouble is that if we move this way, the VP
won't be in charge because he doesn't have the knowledge to program in
php, not that he's got it in c#!
> 2: has it changed much, if any? (last i used was chillisoft on cobalt
> raq4's!)
Hasn't changed at all in 10 years. MS declared it dead and tried to
turn it off in W2K3 server, but so many legacy apps run on it that it
can't be shut down. It not supported any more and it sucks big time!!!
>
> Best,
>
> Nathan
>
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Bastien
Cat, the other other white meat
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On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 18:45 -0600, Tristan wrote:
> Yeah like i said site works 95% of the time when navigating. PHP5.2, Mysql
> 5. The site is completely dynamic so it wouldn't work at all if that was the
> case of it not being installed right.
>
> so the other 5% of the time is blank pages and download index.php files. In
> Firefox when you get a blank page, if you click view source it will show all
> the code that should be there but, I can't tell if it's requesting the page
> again when you do that. It never fails 2 times in a row. A refresh will
> always fix it. When you look in firebug there is no html so it leads me to
> believe FF may be doing just that...going for a second request instead of
> viewing currently opened source? In IE8 I would get something like
>
> diagnose problem button
>
> more information drop down with
>
> this problem can be caused by a variety of issues..this is a completely
> typical M$ error with no valid help
>
>
>
> chrome same thing with
>
> web page cannot be displayed
>
> more information etc...
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 6:36 PM, David McGlone <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 18:11 -0600, Tristan wrote:
> > > I have the strangest issue with my host. They can't figure it out and I'm
> > > completely perplexed. We have other sites running on the server just
> > fine.
> > > However, this new site is acting very weird. Sometimes we get blank
> > pages,
> > > sometimes we get a blank page and then a dialog pops up asking if we want
> > to
> > > download index.php, and then sometimes the site is working fine. Any
> > ideas
> > > on this?
> > >
> > > I'm at ends. Appreciate any advice. For authentication we are using mysql
> > > auth module in apache/linux and proxy pass. We removed proxy pass to see
> > if
> > > that was it but, it wasn't. its a members.domain.com subdomain if that
> > > helps.
> >
> > Do you have php-mysql installed?
> >
> >
> > --
> > Blessings,
> > David M.
> >
> >
The only reason I can think of for it not working 100% of the time is
that the server conditions aren't the same 100% of the time. Is
everything being served from the same server all the time, or are you
using any sort of cloud or load balancing setup? Also, what do your
error and access logs say? Are the access logs recording every hit, even
the failed ones?
Lastly, have a look at the output of a phpinfo() call to see if that
shows anything obviously different from your development setup.
Thanks,
Ash
http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
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At 6:45 PM -0600 7/29/10, Tristan wrote:
Yeah like i said site works 95% of the time when navigating. PHP5.2, Mysql
5. The site is completely dynamic so it wouldn't work at all if that was the
case of it not being installed right.
Off-Topic Friday.
I would start with checking page validation via:
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=<yoursite>
You knows what weirdness can happen if your page doesn't validate --
it does make a difference.
You could provide a url so we could look for ourselves.
Cheers,
tedd
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Tristan wrote:
> In Firefox when you get a blank page, if you click view source it will
> show all the code that should be there but, I can't tell if it's
> requesting the page again when you do that.
You could always run Wireshark or something in order to find out if that
is happening (or just look at your webserver logs!).
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At 6:45 PM -0600 7/29/10, Tristan wrote:
Yeah like i said site works 95% of the time when navigating. PHP5.2, Mysql
5. The site is completely dynamic so it wouldn't work at all if that was the
case of it not being installed right.
so the other 5% of the time is blank pages and download index.php files. In
Firefox when you get a blank page, if you click view source it will show all
the code that should be there but, I can't tell if it's requesting the page
again when you do that. It never fails 2 times in a row. A refresh will
always fix it. When you look in firebug there is no html so it leads me to
believe FF may be doing just that...going for a second request instead of
viewing currently opened source? In IE8 I would get something like
diagnose problem button
more information drop down with
this problem can be caused by a variety of issues..this is a completely
typical M$ error with no valid help
chrome same thing with
web page cannot be displayed
more information etc...
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 6:36 PM, David McGlone <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 18:11 -0600, Tristan wrote:
> I have the strangest issue with my host. They can't figure it out and I'm
> completely perplexed. We have other sites running on the server just
fine.
> However, this new site is acting very weird. Sometimes we get blank
pages,
> sometimes we get a blank page and then a dialog pops up asking if we want
to
> download index.php, and then sometimes the site is working fine. Any
ideas
> on this?
>
> I'm at ends. Appreciate any advice. For authentication we are using mysql
> auth module in apache/linux and proxy pass. We removed proxy pass to see
if
> that was it but, it wasn't. its a members.domain.com subdomain if that
> helps.
Do you have php-mysql installed?
--
Blessings,
David M.
Does the page validate at http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/?
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Don't find fault. Find a remedy. - Henry Ford
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On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Bill Guion <[email protected]> wrote:
> At 6:45 PM -0600 7/29/10, Tristan wrote:
>
> Yeah like i said site works 95% of the time when navigating. PHP5.2, Mysql
>> 5. The site is completely dynamic so it wouldn't work at all if that was
>> the
>> case of it not being installed right.
>>
>> so the other 5% of the time is blank pages and download index.php files.
>> In
>> Firefox when you get a blank page, if you click view source it will show
>> all
>> the code that should be there but, I can't tell if it's requesting the
>> page
>> again when you do that. It never fails 2 times in a row. A refresh will
>> always fix it. When you look in firebug there is no html so it leads me to
>> believe FF may be doing just that...going for a second request instead of
>> viewing currently opened source? In IE8 I would get something like
>>
>> diagnose problem button
>>
>> more information drop down with
>>
>> this problem can be caused by a variety of issues..this is a completely
>> typical M$ error with no valid help
>>
>>
>>
>> chrome same thing with
>>
>> web page cannot be displayed
>>
>> more information etc...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 6:36 PM, David McGlone <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 18:11 -0600, Tristan wrote:
>>> > I have the strangest issue with my host. They can't figure it out and
>>> I'm
>>> > completely perplexed. We have other sites running on the server just
>>> fine.
>>> > However, this new site is acting very weird. Sometimes we get blank
>>> pages,
>>> > sometimes we get a blank page and then a dialog pops up asking if we
>>> want
>>> to
>>> > download index.php, and then sometimes the site is working fine. Any
>>> ideas
>>> > on this?
>>> >
>>> > I'm at ends. Appreciate any advice. For authentication we are using
>>> mysql
>>> > auth module in apache/linux and proxy pass. We removed proxy pass to
>>> see
>>> if
>>> > that was it but, it wasn't. its a members.domain.com subdomain if
>>> that
>>> > helps.
>>>
>>> Do you have php-mysql installed?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Blessings,
>>> David M.
>>>
>>>
>>>
> Does the page validate at http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/?
>
> -----===== Bill =====-----
> --
>
> Don't find fault. Find a remedy. - Henry Ford
>
>
>
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>
>
Tristan,
The good news is that you're not crazy. I've had this exact issue (at least
in terms of symptoms) when working with one of my client's websites.
The bad news is that this was long ago, I was using a shared host, and I'm
not the one who cause or, more importantly, fixed the problem. That said,
I've strained my memory to try and recall what might have been said in the
follow-up from the host, and it seems like there was a mime-type handling
issue (again, I could be completely wrong, this is just a faint memory.)
Another faint memory: are you able to see a difference in behavior when you
view an index file with the file included in the url (
http://yoursite.com/index.php) as opposed to when you view the page without
it in the url (http://yoursite.com)?
Sorry, I wish I still had my email exchange with the company to see what
information they provided after the fix :(
Adam
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http://nephtaliproject.com
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On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 13:38 -0400, Adam Richardson wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Bill Guion <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > At 6:45 PM -0600 7/29/10, Tristan wrote:
> >
> > Yeah like i said site works 95% of the time when navigating. PHP5.2, Mysql
> >> 5. The site is completely dynamic so it wouldn't work at all if that was
> >> the
> >> case of it not being installed right.
> >>
> >> so the other 5% of the time is blank pages and download index.php files.
> >> In
> >> Firefox when you get a blank page, if you click view source it will show
> >> all
> >> the code that should be there but, I can't tell if it's requesting the
> >> page
> >> again when you do that. It never fails 2 times in a row. A refresh will
> >> always fix it. When you look in firebug there is no html so it leads me to
> >> believe FF may be doing just that...going for a second request instead of
> >> viewing currently opened source? In IE8 I would get something like
> >>
> >> diagnose problem button
> >>
> >> more information drop down with
> >>
> >> this problem can be caused by a variety of issues..this is a completely
> >> typical M$ error with no valid help
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> chrome same thing with
> >>
> >> web page cannot be displayed
> >>
> >> more information etc...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 6:36 PM, David McGlone <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 18:11 -0600, Tristan wrote:
> >>> > I have the strangest issue with my host. They can't figure it out and
> >>> I'm
> >>> > completely perplexed. We have other sites running on the server just
> >>> fine.
> >>> > However, this new site is acting very weird. Sometimes we get blank
> >>> pages,
> >>> > sometimes we get a blank page and then a dialog pops up asking if we
> >>> want
> >>> to
> >>> > download index.php, and then sometimes the site is working fine. Any
> >>> ideas
> >>> > on this?
> >>> >
> >>> > I'm at ends. Appreciate any advice. For authentication we are using
> >>> mysql
> >>> > auth module in apache/linux and proxy pass. We removed proxy pass to
> >>> see
> >>> if
> >>> > that was it but, it wasn't. its a members.domain.com subdomain if
> >>> that
> >>> > helps.
> >>>
> >>> Do you have php-mysql installed?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Blessings,
> >>> David M.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> > Does the page validate at http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/?
> >
> > -----===== Bill =====-----
> > --
> >
> > Don't find fault. Find a remedy. - Henry Ford
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)
> > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
> >
> >
> Tristan,
>
> The good news is that you're not crazy. I've had this exact issue (at least
> in terms of symptoms) when working with one of my client's websites.
>
> The bad news is that this was long ago, I was using a shared host, and I'm
> not the one who cause or, more importantly, fixed the problem. That said,
> I've strained my memory to try and recall what might have been said in the
> follow-up from the host, and it seems like there was a mime-type handling
> issue (again, I could be completely wrong, this is just a faint memory.)
>
> Another faint memory: are you able to see a difference in behavior when you
> view an index file with the file included in the url (
> http://yoursite.com/index.php) as opposed to when you view the page without
> it in the url (http://yoursite.com)?
>
> Sorry, I wish I still had my email exchange with the company to see what
> information they provided after the fix :(
>
> Adam
>
Actually, you just saying that made me think of a similar problem I had
once with IIS serving up files. It was XML files rather than PHP, but
the Mime issue does ring a bell!
Is the server you're using IIS Tristan?
Thanks,
Ash
http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
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On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 8:49 PM, David Hutto <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Ashley Sheridan
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 13:38 -0400, Adam Richardson wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Bill Guion <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> > At 6:45 PM -0600 7/29/10, Tristan wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Yeah like i said site works 95% of the time when navigating. PHP5.2,
>>> > Mysql
>>> >> 5. The site is completely dynamic so it wouldn't work at all if that was
>>> >> the
>>> >> case of it not being installed right.
>>> >>
>>> >> so the other 5% of the time is blank pages and download index.php files.
>>> >> In
>>> >> Firefox when you get a blank page, if you click view source it will show
>>> >> all
>>> >> the code that should be there but, I can't tell if it's requesting the
>>> >> page
>>> >> again when you do that. It never fails 2 times in a row. A refresh will
>>> >> always fix it. When you look in firebug there is no html so it leads me
>>> >> to
>>> >> believe FF may be doing just that...going for a second request instead of
>>> >> viewing currently opened source? In IE8 I would get something like
>>> >>
>>> >> diagnose problem button
>>> >>
>>> >> more information drop down with
>>> >>
>>> >> this problem can be caused by a variety of issues..this is a completely
>>> >> typical M$ error with no valid help
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> chrome same thing with
>>> >>
>>> >> web page cannot be displayed
>>> >>
>>> >> more information etc...
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 6:36 PM, David McGlone <[email protected]>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 18:11 -0600, Tristan wrote:
>>> >>> > I have the strangest issue with my host. They can't figure it out and
>>> >>> I'm
>>> >>> > completely perplexed. We have other sites running on the server just
>>> >>> fine.
>>> >>> > However, this new site is acting very weird. Sometimes we get blank
>>> >>> pages,
>>> >>> > sometimes we get a blank page and then a dialog pops up asking if we
>>> >>> want
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> > download index.php, and then sometimes the site is working fine. Any
>>> >>> ideas
>>> >>> > on this?
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > I'm at ends. Appreciate any advice. For authentication we are using
>>> >>> mysql
>>> >>> > auth module in apache/linux and proxy pass. We removed proxy pass to
>>> >>> see
>>> >>> if
>>> >>> > that was it but, it wasn't. its a members.domain.com subdomain if
>>> >>> that
>>> >>> > helps.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Do you have php-mysql installed?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> Blessings,
>>> >>> David M.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> > Does the page validate at http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/?
>>> >
>>> > -----===== Bill =====-----
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> > Don't find fault. Find a remedy. - Henry Ford
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)
>>> > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
>>> >
>>> >
>>> Tristan,
>>>
>>> The good news is that you're not crazy. I've had this exact issue (at least
>>> in terms of symptoms) when working with one of my client's websites.
>>>
>>> The bad news is that this was long ago, I was using a shared host, and I'm
>>> not the one who cause or, more importantly, fixed the problem. That said,
>>> I've strained my memory to try and recall what might have been said in the
>>> follow-up from the host, and it seems like there was a mime-type handling
>>> issue (again, I could be completely wrong, this is just a faint memory.)
>>>
>>> Another faint memory: are you able to see a difference in behavior when you
>>> view an index file with the file included in the url (
>>> http://yoursite.com/index.php) as opposed to when you view the page without
>>> it in the url (http://yoursite.com)?
>>>
>>> Sorry, I wish I still had my email exchange with the company to see what
>>> information they provided after the fix :(
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>
>> Actually, you just saying that made me think of a similar problem I had
>> once with IIS serving up files. It was XML files rather than PHP, but
>> the Mime issue does ring a bell!
>>
>> Is the server you're using IIS Tristan?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ash
>> http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
>>
>>
>>
>Forgot to hit reply all:
> I'm not sure if this helps, or even relates, but the one time I had a
> hosting account for a microsoft app named NopCommerce, when I would
> try to visit the page, it seemed to only allow one connection at a
> time, because of some MS DB user limitation or something, and I didn't
> attempt anymore with it.
>
> Might relate, might not.
>
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At 2:57 PM -0700 7/29/10, David Harkness wrote:
I'm working on the Hamcrest matching library and have been considering the
switch to using namespaces (\Hamcrest\Type\IsInteger) instead of
class-names-as-namespaces (Hamcrest_Type_IsInteger). Coming from the Java
world I'm used to being forced to deploy my applications on versions one or
two behind the latest stable release. It was common to run on 1.2 when 1.4
was available and 1.3 when 1.5 was available for over a year. Managers are
fearful of new versions. Is this same pattern repeated in PHP?
My current company just switched to 5.3 after running 5.2 for some time. Are
we average in that regard or the exception to the rule?
Peace,
David
David :
I don't work for a shop, so I don't know what the average for a shop would be.
But from my experience freelancing, what I work with depends upon who
I am working for and what their host provides.
For example, I have clients who allow me to work with whatever I
want, which is usually the most current stable version provided by a
knowable host. However, I also have clients who are dependant upon
scripts that were written back in the stone-age, which holds them to
an old version -- they will never upgrade for they are frozen in time.
But for the most part, I work with various host who provide an
assortment of versions with virtually no input from me. In fact, if I
contact them about anything, it's even odds I wont receive an answer
back let alone them listening to me recommending what versions they
should use. Host do what they do and us lowly programmers don't have
much a say about it. It's something you have to learn to live with.
So, I have to work with all versions and all types of hosts -- there
is no average I can see.
Cheers,
tedd
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--- Begin Message ---
From: David Harkness
> My current company just switched to 5.3 after
> running 5.2 for some time. Are
> we average in that regard or the exception to the rule?
>From where I sit, you are will ahead of the curve. RedHat and CentOS 5
still have 5.2.4 in their production repositories. We have to custom
compile 5.2.13 just to pass our PCI audits.
Bob McConnell
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--- Begin Message ---
David Harkness wrote:
I'm working on the Hamcrest matching library and have been considering the
switch to using namespaces (\Hamcrest\Type\IsInteger) instead of
class-names-as-namespaces (Hamcrest_Type_IsInteger). Coming from the Java
world I'm used to being forced to deploy my applications on versions one or
two behind the latest stable release. It was common to run on 1.2 when 1.4
was available and 1.3 when 1.5 was available for over a year. Managers are
fearful of new versions. Is this same pattern repeated in PHP?
My current company just switched to 5.3 after running 5.2 for some time. Are
we average in that regard or the exception to the rule?
Most people are on 5.2 afaik, certainly most shared hosts are either
5.1.x and 5.2.x, and most os's still have the 5.2.x when you install
from the packages.
Best,
Nathan
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I have a query that may not always return a result for a value, I need
to reflect this with a "0". I am trying to overcome this by doing this
(the keys are ID's):
while ($row = mysql_fetch_row($statusQuery)) {
$cat = array(0=>0,1=>0,11=>0,12=>0,13=>0,14=>0,15=>0,16=>0,17=>0,19=>0);
switch ($row[1]) {
case 0: $cat[0] = $row[0]; break;
case 1: $cat[1] = $row[0]; break;
case 11: $cat[11] = $row[0]; break;
case 12: $cat[12] = $row[0]; break;
case 13: $cat[13] = $row[0]; break;
case 14: $cat[14] = $row[0]; break;
case 15: $cat[15] = $row[0]; break;
case 16: $cat[16] = $row[0]; break;
case 17: $cat[17] = $row[0]; break;
case 19: $cat[19] = $row[0]; break;
}
print_r($cat);
}
Which gives me this:
Array ( [0] => 15547 [1] => 0 [11] => 0 [12] => 0 [13] => 0 [14] => 0
[15] => 0 [16] => 0 [17] => 0 [19] => 0 )
Array ( [0] => 0 [1] => 0 [11] => 0 [12] => 0 [13] => 0 [14] => 0 [15]
=> 30 [16] => 0 [17] => 0 [19] => 0 )
The query only return 2 rows:
15 | 30
0 | 15547
What am I doing wrong? Is there a more elegant way to achieve what I want?
Thanks.
--
Paul Halliday
Ideation | Individualization | Learner | Achiever | Analytical
http://www.pintumbler.org
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On Jul 30, 2010, at 2:36 PM, Paul Halliday wrote:
> I have a query that may not always return a result for a value, I need
> to reflect this with a "0". I am trying to overcome this by doing this
> (the keys are ID's):
>
> while ($row = mysql_fetch_row($statusQuery)) {
>
> $cat =
> array(0=>0,1=>0,11=>0,12=>0,13=>0,14=>0,15=>0,16=>0,17=>0,19=>0);
>
> switch ($row[1]) {
> case 0: $cat[0] = $row[0]; break;
> case 1: $cat[1] = $row[0]; break;
> case 11: $cat[11] = $row[0]; break;
> case 12: $cat[12] = $row[0]; break;
> case 13: $cat[13] = $row[0]; break;
> case 14: $cat[14] = $row[0]; break;
> case 15: $cat[15] = $row[0]; break;
> case 16: $cat[16] = $row[0]; break;
> case 17: $cat[17] = $row[0]; break;
> case 19: $cat[19] = $row[0]; break;
> }
>
> print_r($cat);
> }
>
> Which gives me this:
>
> Array ( [0] => 15547 [1] => 0 [11] => 0 [12] => 0 [13] => 0 [14] => 0
> [15] => 0 [16] => 0 [17] => 0 [19] => 0 )
> Array ( [0] => 0 [1] => 0 [11] => 0 [12] => 0 [13] => 0 [14] => 0 [15]s
> => 30 [16] => 0 [17] => 0 [19] => 0 )
>
> The query only return 2 rows:
>
> 15 | 30
> 0 | 15547
>
> What am I doing wrong? Is there a more elegant way to achieve what I want?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Paul Halliday
> Ideation | Individualization | Learner | Achiever | Analytical
> http://www.pintumbler.org
>
> --
> PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)
> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
>
Paul-
Why not say:
$cat = array();
if(isset($row[1])
{
$cat[$row[1]] = $row[0];
}
print_r($cat);
Regards,
-Josh
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--- Begin Message ---
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Joshua Kehn <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On Jul 30, 2010, at 2:36 PM, Paul Halliday wrote:
>
>> I have a query that may not always return a result for a value, I need
>> to reflect this with a "0". I am trying to overcome this by doing this
>> (the keys are ID's):
>>
>> while ($row = mysql_fetch_row($statusQuery)) {
>>
>> $cat =
>> array(0=>0,1=>0,11=>0,12=>0,13=>0,14=>0,15=>0,16=>0,17=>0,19=>0);
>>
>> switch ($row[1]) {
>> case 0: $cat[0] = $row[0]; break;
>> case 1: $cat[1] = $row[0]; break;
>> case 11: $cat[11] = $row[0]; break;
>> case 12: $cat[12] = $row[0]; break;
>> case 13: $cat[13] = $row[0]; break;
>> case 14: $cat[14] = $row[0]; break;
>> case 15: $cat[15] = $row[0]; break;
>> case 16: $cat[16] = $row[0]; break;
>> case 17: $cat[17] = $row[0]; break;
>> case 19: $cat[19] = $row[0]; break;
>> }
>>
>> print_r($cat);
>> }
>>
>> Which gives me this:
>>
>> Array ( [0] => 15547 [1] => 0 [11] => 0 [12] => 0 [13] => 0 [14] => 0
>> [15] => 0 [16] => 0 [17] => 0 [19] => 0 )
>> Array ( [0] => 0 [1] => 0 [11] => 0 [12] => 0 [13] => 0 [14] => 0 [15]s
>> => 30 [16] => 0 [17] => 0 [19] => 0 )
>>
>> The query only return 2 rows:
>>
>> 15 | 30
>> 0 | 15547
>>
>> What am I doing wrong? Is there a more elegant way to achieve what I want?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> --
>> Paul Halliday
>> Ideation | Individualization | Learner | Achiever | Analytical
>> http://www.pintumbler.org
>>
>> --
>> PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)
>> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
>>
>
> Paul-
>
> Why not say:
>
> $cat = array();
> if(isset($row[1])
> {
> $cat[$row[1]] = $row[0];
> }
>
> print_r($cat);
>
> Regards,
>
> -Josh
I need the results that don't have values assigned though.
ex:
c = 0
h = 9
t = 0
f = 21
Even if the query returned only:
h = 9
f = 21
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--- Begin Message ---
On Jul 30, 2010, at 3:03 PM, Paul Halliday wrote:
>>
>> Paul-
>>
>> Why are those values not defaulted to 0 in the database?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Josh
>>
>>
>
> They are defaulted, the query is grouping:
>
> select count(status) as count, status from table group by status order
> by status desc;
Paul-
Correct, so stuff with a status of 0 will still show up unless I'm missing
something.
Regards,
-Josh
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