php-general Digest 20 Sep 2011 09:46:54 -0000 Issue 7487
Topics (messages 314940 through 314955):
Re: PHP installations, usage, and popularity
314940 by: Bastien Koert
314941 by: Daniel P. Brown
314942 by: David Harkness
314943 by: Daniel Brown
314946 by: Gregor Mitzka
314947 by: Jason Pruim
314948 by: David Harkness
314949 by: Daniel Brown
314952 by: Tommy Pham
314955 by: Richard Quadling
While on the topic of PHP Web Site Stats - SharePoint...
314944 by: George Langley
314945 by: Daniel Brown
314950 by: Ross McKay
314951 by: Tommy Pham
Re: Installing extensions
314953 by: tamouse mailing lists
314954 by: Tommy Pham
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On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Tedd Sperling <tedd.sperl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi gang:
>
> I need information to convince administrators in "management" that PHP is a
> viable subject that should be taught in college with credits going toward a
> Degree or Certification.
>
> You see, I am pushing for a Web Development Certification program that would
> include PHP/MySQL as well as several other Web Languages (i.e., html, css,
> javascript, ajax).
>
> Currently the college teaches ASP in a regular course toward a IT
> Certification, but class attendance has dropped considerably -- no one wants
> to take the course.
>
> However, My PHP class has been maxed out. But my class is a "special topic"
> class and not part of the regular coursework that would go towards a Degree
> or Certification -- and that's where I would like this to go.
>
> As such, I need information regarding how wide-spread PHP is (i.e., number of
> installations), who's using it (i.e., companies, organizations), and how it
> compares with other Web Languages (i.e., ASP, Ruby, etc.).
>
> So, what say you? References will work.
>
> Thanks,
>
> tedd
>
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Ask them if they've heard of
facebook
oracle uses php in the web based admin tool
ibm has a close association with zend and php
microsoft is supporting php natively in win2008 server
Usage stats
http://php.net/usage.php
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Bastien
Cat, the other other white meat
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On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 17:08, Tedd Sperling <tedd.sperl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> As such, I need information regarding how wide-spread PHP is (i.e., number of
> installations), who's using it (i.e., companies, organizations), and how it
> compares with other Web Languages (i.e., ASP, Ruby, etc.).
There's no really good metric in recent history (since about
Netcraft's 2007 survey, I guess) that shows PHP's installation figures
--- not even a general representation. Back in early 2009 (as in,
almost three years ago), I used Google's 'filetype' filter to get an
approximation and posted the results on this list and on one of my
sites[1]. I'm working on finishing a new version of my own software
which will sample millions of domains and query them to see if they
report having PHP installed as well, but I don't expect those results
to be available for some time to come. I have, however, been thinking
of making it a real-time counter, which would then show the stats as
things run.
As for who's using it, that's a question with an unending answer.
Facebook was built in PHP, which is perhaps the most glaring argument
by itself, and one to which most folks can instantly relate, as
they're more likely to be a user than not, according to Facebook's
market saturation statistics. Other sites and companies include
Yahoo!, Google, NBC, Verizon, and - as you know - LCC-MAHE. On top of
that, what most folks may not realize, is that the White House website
(http://www.whitehouse.gov/) uses Drupal, which is also written in
PHP. In fact, a fun fact for now is that regular freelance developers
aren't the only ones who drop the ball sometimes and let error
messages display on the web. So does the White House[2].
Other US government body websites that have used and/or continue
to use PHP include the US Congress, the Library of Congress, the
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), the National
Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), the Department of Justice
(DOJ), most state government websites, and all five branches of the
armed services.
^1: http://links.parasane.net/nc8d
^2: http://links.parasane.net/zdzu
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Gently remind them that the P in LAMP stands for PHP. There's a big reason
most every web developer can tell you what each letter in LAMP stands for:
heavy market penetration.
Peace,
David
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On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 18:10, David Harkness <davi...@highgearmedia.com> wrote:
> Gently remind them that the P in LAMP stands for PHP. There's a big reason
> most every web developer can tell you what each letter in LAMP stands for:
> heavy market penetration.
It has become a presumption in that regard, yes, but the 'P' in
LAMP was actually for Perl.
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Network Infrastructure Manager
http://www.php.net/
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As far as I know it is called LAMPP and not LAMP. So you have PHP and also
Perl. But never the less PHP is one of the most widespread web languages
now-a-days.
2011/9/20 Daniel Brown <danbr...@php.net>
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 18:10, David Harkness <davi...@highgearmedia.com>
> wrote:
> > Gently remind them that the P in LAMP stands for PHP. There's a big
> reason
> > most every web developer can tell you what each letter in LAMP stands
> for:
> > heavy market penetration.
>
> It has become a presumption in that regard, yes, but the 'P' in
> LAMP was actually for Perl.
>
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Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 19, 2011, at 5:08 PM, Tedd Sperling <tedd.sperl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi gang:
>
> I need information to convince administrators in "management" that PHP is a
> viable subject that should be taught in college with credits going toward a
> Degree or Certification.
Would another college already doing that help or hurt? Full sail university
does just that both online and in person if you're local.
Almost took the program but ran out of money to quickly... They aren't cheap
but they are good!
>
> You see, I am pushing for a Web Development Certification program that would
> include PHP/MySQL as well as several other Web Languages (i.e., html, css,
> javascript, ajax).
>
> Currently the college teaches ASP in a regular course toward a IT
> Certification, but class attendance has dropped considerably -- no one wants
> to take the course.
>
> However, My PHP class has been maxed out. But my class is a "special topic"
> class and not part of the regular coursework that would go towards a Degree
> or Certification -- and that's where I would like this to go.
>
> As such, I need information regarding how wide-spread PHP is (i.e., number of
> installations), who's using it (i.e., companies, organizations), and how it
> compares with other Web Languages (i.e., ASP, Ruby, etc.).
>
> So, what say you? References will work.
>
> Thanks,
>
> tedd
>
> _____________________
> t...@sperling.com
> http://sperling.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
>
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On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Daniel Brown <danbr...@php.net> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 18:10, David Harkness <davi...@highgearmedia.com>
> wrote:
> > Gently remind them that the P in LAMP stands for PHP.
>
> It has become a presumption in that regard, yes, but the 'P' in
> LAMP was actually for Perl.
>
LOL! That I totally forgot it used to stand for Perl pretty much proves my
point. That or focusing on any language for a few years will tend to make
one fairly myopic. :)
Peace,
David
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On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 20:17, David Harkness <davi...@highgearmedia.com> wrote:
>
> LOL! That I totally forgot it used to stand for Perl pretty much proves my
> point. That or focusing on any language for a few years will tend to make
> one fairly myopic. :)
I waited for someone to chime in about Python being included in
that list as well (in many circles, the 'P' in LAMP is ambiguous for
the three: Perl, Python, and PHP).
--
</Daniel P. Brown>
Network Infrastructure Manager
http://www.php.net/
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ASP? Not ASP.NET? Wow... I haven't any new sites deployed in ASP in almost
10 years. IIRC, ASP is nothing more but bunch of spaghetti codes and no
OOP. That's why attendance/registration is so low. Only main web (server
side) development languages are ASP.NET (C#), Java, and PHP (listed as
alphabetical order - not based on demand/popularity). You'd probably say
Perl and/or Python too. IMO, best way to convince the administration is job
search for "ASP under IT category" and show them the results vs search for
PHP ;) No need for long explanations and comparisons since the point of
having students certified is that they could get a job quickly.
Best wishes,
Tommy
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On 19 September 2011 22:08, Tedd Sperling <tedd.sperl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi gang:
>
> I need information to convince administrators in "management" that PHP is a
> viable subject that should be taught in college with credits going toward a
> Degree or Certification.
>
> You see, I am pushing for a Web Development Certification program that would
> include PHP/MySQL as well as several other Web Languages (i.e., html, css,
> javascript, ajax).
>
> Currently the college teaches ASP in a regular course toward a IT
> Certification, but class attendance has dropped considerably -- no one wants
> to take the course.
>
> However, My PHP class has been maxed out. But my class is a "special topic"
> class and not part of the regular coursework that would go towards a Degree
> or Certification -- and that's where I would like this to go.
>
> As such, I need information regarding how wide-spread PHP is (i.e., number of
> installations), who's using it (i.e., companies, organizations), and how it
> compares with other Web Languages (i.e., ASP, Ruby, etc.).
>
> So, what say you? References will work.
>
> Thanks,
>
> tedd
Considering this is academia, how about WikiPedia?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki
75 languages and over 3.5 million pages :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics
So, this is just 1 site.
Of course, you can easily have a Flash frontend with a PHP backend.
The whole nature of PHP is that it can fit anywhere. Web, Console, GUI
(with appropriate bindings). Multii-platform, architecture, OS, etc. -
probably preaching to the converted here.
I would also recommend the inclusion of a nosql module and MAYBE some
Windows specific elements (I use IIS/MSSQL/PHP no problem. MS SQL
driver for PHP is PDO and works very nicely).
--
Richard Quadling
Twitter : EE : Zend : PHPDoc
@RQuadling : e-e.com/M_248814.html : bit.ly/9O8vFY : bit.ly/lFnVea
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Hi all. Had a meeting today where I was rather condescendingly told
that most CMS web sites use SharePoint. Last I checked:
<http://trends.builtwith.com/cms>
Wordpress, Joomla! and Drupal (PHP, PHP and oh look, PHP) kind of had the CMS
market wrapped up, with numerous other systems fighting for the remains. In
fact, I don't see SharePoint even listed at the above link.
Any stats on (warning - buzzwords ahead) "External-facing" web sites
using SharePoint?
At $$$ for the required server software, compared to <$ for just about
anything PHP-based, can only imagine companies using SharePoint must have their
IT department in charge of the web site. Am sure it's fine as an internal
project management tool, but am very concerned when other developers tell me to
run away from anyone who chooses to use SharePoint on anything public.
Thanks.
George Langley
Interactive Developer
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On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 18:22, George Langley <george.lang...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> Hi all. Had a meeting today where I was rather condescendingly told
> that most CMS web sites use SharePoint.
Well, you may reply, equally condescendingly, that you will need
that to have cited references, as it's simply incorrect. According to
the latest survey conducted by w3techs.com[1], though SharePoint is
used on sites with some of the highest traffic on the Internet, its
saturation point is just 0.3%.
According to the survey, the five CMS platforms ahead of it in
popularity, in order, are (and quite expectedly): WordPress, Joomla!,
Drupal, vBulletin, and Blogger. And of those five, one is a service
(blogger.com), and the rest are all open-source CMS systems ---
written in PHP.
--
</Daniel P. Brown>
Network Infrastructure Manager
http://www.php.net/
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On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:22:59 -0600, George Langley wrote:
>[...]
> Any stats on (warning - buzzwords ahead) "External-facing" web
>sites using SharePoint? [...]
Try here:
http://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/content_management/all
(SharePoint comes in at 0.1% of all websites, 0.3% of all CMS; i.e.
waaaay behind the PHP-based CMS out there -- e.g. WordPress on 14.9%
websites and 54.4% CMS)
--
Ross McKay, Toronto NSW Australia
"All we are saying
Is give peas a chance" - SeedSavers
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I don't know about external facing and 'most web sites use SharePoint' but
SharePoint is mainly used in conjunction with other midsize/enterprise MS
applications such as Exchange, SQLServer and other MS products, including
SSO integration with Active Directory. I've yet to see it used as
standalone with only MS SQLServer. If you want to use a CMS without having
the need to use any other enterprise, or midsize, MS apps, it's expensive to
deploy as you'll need to deploy on Windows. On top of that, the recent
version Foundation 2010 is a PAIN IN THE *SS to deploy and maintain with any
SQL Express version. Don't even think about developing it further on the
Foundation 2010. Buying MS SQLServer just for the sake of SharePoint only
is not worthwhile as that cost is even higher. Furthermore, SharePoint
2010, even the free version Foundation, is very hardware demanding. Simply
put, if your company currently using any MS products, Exchange, SQLServer,
etc. and is midsize+, then it maybe justifiable to use SharePoint, not just
the free version. Else, if you just need a CMS that's the lowest TCO and
easier to maintain, stick w/ PHP and Open Source, IMO.
Regards,
Tommy
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On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Daniel Brown <danbr...@php.net> wrote:
> You have to add the extensions to your php.ini file,
Yeah, did that, still not working.
> and - if
> using them on the web - remember to restart Apache.
Using lighty and fastcgi.
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On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:43 AM, tamouse mailing lists <
tamouse.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Daniel Brown <danbr...@php.net> wrote:
> > You have to add the extensions to your php.ini file,
>
> Yeah, did that, still not working.
>
> > and - if
> > using them on the web - remember to restart Apache.
>
> Using lighty and fastcgi.
>
>
Create a phpinfo.php file:
<?php phpinfo(); ?>
Browse it:
http://localhost/path/to/file/phpinfo.php
Look at "Loaded Configuration File" and "extension_dir" (both local and
master). What you think and what actually happened are 2 different things.
Always confirm.
Regards,
Tommy
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