php-general Digest 24 Oct 2011 19:07:36 -0000 Issue 7535
Topics (messages 315398 through 315401):
Re: Friday Distraction
315398 by: tamouse mailing lists
315399 by: tamouse mailing lists
315400 by: Sean Greenslade
Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.4.0 beta2
315401 by: Daniel Convissor
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On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Tedd Sperling <tedd.sperl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Personally, I find little interest in the new social media. In addition, I
> often find it annoying and even presumptuous of people who post things and
> in-turn expect me to acknowledge and respond to their post. It's like walking
> down a crowded sidewalk and being required to say "Good Morning" to everyone
> you meet. While it might be polite and politically correct, it's also a pain
> in the ass and lacks honesty and purpose.
>
> I say, why not better focus your "Good Morning" to the old person sitting on
> bench who is being ignored by all passersby? Your time/attention has worth,
> use it wisely.
So, is there something about social networks you don't get that you
think you cannot do just that?
There is really no social contract to respond to every post and prod
from the social network. Many people are out there looking for an
audience, many of them to sell something to you. Again, it's not
necessary to say "hi" to everyone that's on the social network.
I really think you have the wrong idea about these things. FB, G+,
Twitter, and like before them Dreamwidth, Livejournal, they are places
where people go to meet, and have a sense of community. But there's no
obligation to listen or talk to anyone you don't want to, anytime you
don't want to.
These social networks aren't even as open as mailing lists, where you
can't really control who gets on the mailing list and starts
talking. At least with the social networks you get to pick and choose
who you listen to, and many of them you're now able to pick and choosd
who sees what you say.
So, it's really *not* like walking down a crowded street at all where
a bunch of random people are shouting "GOOD DAY,SIR!" at you and
expecting a reply. It's a room full of people *you've* chosen to
listen to.
> [2] To me, uplifting and revolutionary code is simply re-inventing what's
> current and making improvements in user interaction -- thereby expanding
> programming into regions not yet touched. I've read much about the "mind v
> machine" integration in countless books and actually seen this being
> addressed in several different disciplines over the years -- to me, that is
> exciting, uplifting, and revolutionary.
>
> Or example, just this morning, my wife (a jeweler) received this link:
>
> http://reflectionbeads.com/i/design-your-own
That's a very interesting site. Surprising that it doesn't use a lick
of PHP to do what it's doing, given what you wrote below.
> Please review that link -- IMO, the people who designed that application have
> their thumb on the pulse of their customers.
>
> So, my advice is to find something you like/know and make it easier for
> others to use.
This is indeed the essence of successful making.
> In my recommendation to the College (where I teach) to include PHP in their
> IT curriculum, I wrote (in part):
>
> -- quote --
>
> The Internet is a World-wide phenomena that I need not expound upon other
> than to say the knowledge of how to communicate effectively on the Internet
> is a topic well worth the study. Internet communication is presented via Web
> Sites and knowing how to create effective and useful Web Sites is the key to
> successful Internet Businesses.
>
> A Web Site need not be a static billboard on the Internet highway trying to
> snag passersby, but instead it can become a fully functional application for
> users to use and find solutions for their problems and needs. Finding and
> fulfilling customer's needs is what Business is about. The Internet provides
> an opportunity for Service Providers to optimize their efforts in finding
> customers. This presents an unequaled opportunity in sales and service.
>
> To properly use this new medium, Web Languages must be taught and mastered.
> No single Web Language can fulfill all the needs of a fully functional Web
> Site. Instead several languages must work in concert creating a symbiotic
> relationship -- each language has its own scope, function, and limit.
>
> A Web Site is like a House: There is the basic frame -- the 2x4 framing,
> flooring, rafters, siding, and roof. That's HTML (Hyper Text Markup
> Language); There is the siding types, the color of the paint, the type of
> flooring, and the general looks of the house. That's CSS (Cascading Style
> Sheets); Then there is the plumbing, electrical wiring, furnace for heating,
> and air-conditioning for cooling. That's PHP (Hypertext Preprocessor); Then
> there is the operation of the house such as electrical switches, doors and
> windows that open/close, faucets that turn on/off, air-conditioning and
> furnace that turn on/off via switches. That's JavaScript; And finally,
> there's the paperwork, such as the Deed, invoices, payments, etc, and the
> place to store that data. That's MySQL (the database).
>
> Put all of those Languages together and you will have the workings of a fully
> functional Web Site.
>
> While I say that all languages should work together and none work in a
> vacuum, it is noteworthy to point out that only PHP can build, create, and
> use all of these languages. In other words, PHP (while serving it's own
> function) can create code and use all the other languages as it wants. It is
> The Master Language that can change any of the other languages depending upon
> programable decisions. It can provide variables for languages that normally
> don't have variables, such as HTML and CSS, and it can communicate with
> languages that do have variables, such as Javascript and MySQL.
>
> In short there is no limit to the scope of this most powerful Web Language --
> it is THE Language of the Internet.
Well, okay, PHP is all that and a bag of chips, but it's not the ONLY
player in this field. There are several languages that can do all that
PHP does, some more elligantly, others less so. But really, there is
*no* functionality in PHP that I haven't been able to also accomplish
in Ruby, Perl, C++, or Java. Not that I would necessarily pick those
languages over PHP for any given job.
I think the distinct advantage PHP has over those other languages is
the much lower learning curve to acquiring the skills needed to do web
programming. All those other languages have deep idiosyncrasies that
make them harder to learn and get things done in. The only language
that gives PHP a run for it's money in that regard is Ruby, but only
because of Rails. And learning Rails is can be a bit daunting for
simple starting off projects students would have.
PHP is certainly a versatile language. I've even found myself writing
one-liners in PHP because the functionality I needed was right there
at hand in PHP, and more difficult to find in Perl or non-existant in
Awk/Sed/Grep/Bash.
As for having PHP part of an IT cirriculum, I say RIGHT ON. A lot of
these students will be going off to doing things where they may be
asked to put together a web site for someone, and not knowing the
tools is going to be painful. There are so many people out there
hacking away at PHP and web sites that are doing a terrible job of it
having seen some GAWDAWFUL PHP in my day -- which is one thing PHP is
more prone to than some of those other languages, by the way. But
teaching them programming *skills* and *knowledge* rather than just
how to rub two spoons together and swing a rubber chicken to get the
server going again is a lot more useful to them.
> -- un-quote --
>
> Now that you've picked the right language, what are you going to do with it?
> THAT I find exciting.
That never seems to be a problem -- there's always SOMETHING that
needs making!
> Cheers,
>
> tedd
>
>
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On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Christopher Lee <ct...@ucensys.com> wrote:
> This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged,
> proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in
> error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any
> other use of the email by you is prohibited.
Just wondering, who was the designated recipient here? What can I use
of this? I'm wondering what's privileged and proprietary and private
about a 3 line response to a world-wide mailing list?
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On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 9:43 PM, tamouse mailing lists <
tamouse.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Christopher Lee <ct...@ucensys.com>
> wrote:
> > This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain
> privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have
> received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the
> original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited.
>
> Just wondering, who was the designated recipient here? What can I use
> of this? I'm wondering what's privileged and proprietary and private
> about a 3 line response to a world-wide mailing list?
>
>
I'm always amused that people think that they can somehow enter an email
recipient into a binding contract with a footer. Unless you hacked something
to get that email, you don't *have *to do anything with it.
--
--Zootboy
Sent from my PC.
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Hi Stas:
> The next release is planned to be RC1 and is scheduled for November 10.
You want the DateTime DST fixing RFC
(https://wiki.php.net/rfc/datetime_and_daylight_saving_time) implemented
before RC1, right? If so, keep in mind that voting on it will start
tomorrow and finish on November 1. Then "someone" needs to implement
it. The deadline may need adjusting.
Thanks,
--Dan
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