ok, Ive now been able to fetch news headers, but boy is it slow. to fetch 10 out of 430 headers your looking at 19sec. news://news.php.net/php.gtk $headers = imap_fetch_overview($this->mail_stream, "427:437"); is slow... oi. any ideas on speed ? -- Chris Lee Mediawaveonline.com ph. 250.377.1095 ph. 250.376.2690 fx. 250.554.1120 [EMAIL PROTECTED]